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    Mailing/Bank operations for guild

    Long story short I'm doing guild management now and I'd like to create a profile in where I can manage all the raiders necessities.

    This means I'd like a profile where I have multiple groups, one per raider, with their associated flask, food and potions, so that I can create mailing and bank operations to withdraw and send in the right amounts so that I don't have to go to the bank and take a certain amount of flasks, and then manually send those flasks, potions and food to each raider.

    Problem is, one item can only belong to a given group (I still don't understand why is this made btw). So I can have raider X with intellect flasks and raider Y also with those, because that same item can't be in two groups at the same time.

    I've thought of different profiles for each member but it's quite annoying to have to select a different profile 14 times every week when I went to take the consumables from the bank, and another 14 times to send them.

    Is there any other solution?
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    If items could be me in multiple groups how would TSM know which operations you wanted to use at any given time?

    As for your scenario, there's no easy way to set up distribution to multiple people with TSM. I'd suggest mailing everything to a guild bank and setting up withdrawal permissions for your raiders. You can check transaction logs for those that are/are not withdrawing. Some may even supply themselves and sell the stuff you mail them.

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    From that I understand that in your architecture, you guys decided to have operations assigned to items rather than groups, and all a group does is assign the same operation you put it to all items. But from a dev pov you could have assigned operations to groups rather than items, and when searching for an item, check the selected group and use its operation, and if multiple groups with the same item (therefore different operations to the same item) were selected, it could prompt a message saying that the selected item was in two operations and not run that search, or just run the lowest of both, or give you an option to select which operation runs it. The easiest one would be the first, where it just doesn't run if you select multiple groups with the same item and display a "warning: item X isn't being searched for" and leave it to the user to be responsible for that.

    I know this isn't how you designed TSM, it was just an idea and I genuinely didn't know the reason behind it (because I didn't know you were assigning operations directly to items).

    Ah well, I guess different profiles will be, with some macros to go to those profiles (since this is on a bank account level 1) and take stuff from bank / sending it, as the bank withdraw isn't a viable option in this case.

    Thanks!
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    That generally defeats the purpose of automating post/shopping/cancel scans that TSM set out to do in the first place. Operations are assigned to groups (of item(s)), you can't run a post scan of items without them being in a group, but you can have multiple operations (for some modules) per group that run in the order you assign them. So what you want to achieve is technically possible just not on the scale you're talking about without modifying LUA files.

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    Oh no, I was definitely implying that you'd have to change a lot of the LUA code, since you're applying the operations to the items and that would have to change. It would be a major change for TSM.

    However it would only defeat the purpose of automating everything if the user did put one item in more than one group, otherwise it would stay the same. You could leave that responsibility to the user, but I completely understand trying to avoid user mistakes.

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    I'm not saying you're applying the operation to the items, that's not how TSM works or how you would do what you want to do.

    You'd simply add an item to a group, and then apply X mailing operations to the group, each one mailing a number of the item to a specific character. I've actually just checked the maximum number of mailing operations you can assign as I thought it was 10-15 but it's actually a total of 30. So this should be more than enough to distribute your flasks/consumables to raiders with the method I described without editing any LUA files.

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    Indeed it almost does. The problem is when some raiders will come, and some will not.

    So essentially, if I'd have some structure like the below:

    Code:
    - Raid
     |-- Flasks
       |-- MailOp: Tedj Flasks
       |-- MailOp: Gumdrops Flasks
     |-- Potions
       |-- MailOp: Tedj Potions
       |-- MailOp: Gumdrops Potions
     |-- Food
       |-- etc
     |-- Runes
       |-- etc
    Every time one raider wasn't about to show up I'd have to manually go into each sub-group (Flasks/Potions/Food/Runes) and de-select that person from the mail ops, and add them again in the future.
    If I could add the same item to multiple groups, it would look more like:

    Code:
    - Raid
     |-- Ted
       |-- Flasks
       |-- Potions
       |-- Food
       |-- Runes
     |-- Gumdrops
       |-- Flasks
       |-- Potions
       |-- Food
       |-- Runes
    And when going to the mail I'd just select the people that were participating that raid. This is my issue. I don't think there's any way around it, is it?
    If not, I'll just create multiple profiles, macro them to "/tsm profile [name]" and create about 14 macros, and just click each and then take the items for that person, and then again repeat to mail it. I think it's the easiest way around it, since having the raiders take the items from the bank is not an option.

    What do you think?
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    Just use your guild bank and set the daily limits / permissions accordingly. Most people should be more than capable of supplying their own consumables anyways.

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    @morfraen I think I was pretty clear in 3 different responses that that is not a viable option. Neither does it matter if they are capable of supplying their own or not. I was just looking for a solution for that problem, and I've found the only solution that is fits and is automated is different profiles.
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