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    Two suggestions:

    1) Can you add support for a "special" key? For example, the "up arrow" key to be sent?
    2) Can you add support for time intervals of less than 1 second? Preferably a checkbox that allows for "constant" key sends, maybe with a warning message?
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  2. #22
    So let me get this straight, maybe I'm just misunderstanding the functionality presented here. BTW - apologies in advance for raining on the parade or sounding overly negative!

    You have an application that takes any signaling from an input device (keyboard, mouse, or a mic) and translates that into WoW in game actions, regardless of what window has focus? For example, I can run WoW in the background and translate my typing this message or any random mouse movements into specific WoW actions such as transmuting gems, creating enchanting scrolls, milling inks, etc. with the thought that this is allowable by the ToS?

    I cry foul! I've yet to see anyone post a response from a GM that clearly articulates this sort of functionality and yes, I've read the other related posts and the GM responses.

    What say we ask specifically: "Would an application that takes any random input from a keyboard, mouse, or microphone (thereby demonstrating that a human user is in-fact present at the PC, but not necessarily providing direct input to the WoW game client) and subsequently translates said input into specific in-game actions such as prospecting, milling, enchanting, etc. allowable under the current ToS?"

    Again - I applaud the effort, and am in awe of the programming effort that went into this, its a GREAT job! I'm just a little suspect that this sort of approach is allowable and is in keeping with the intent of the ToS, even moreso since I don't think anyone has clearly articulated this to Blizzard and received a positive response.

    BLUF: I don't believe that just proving that a human is present at the PC meets the intent of the ToS, and more specifically - automating input to WoW when the user is not actually "playing" (paying attention) is in violation of the ToS.
    Last edited by Seoulseeker; September 28th, 2011 at 10:00 AM. Reason: Clarification!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidfranses View Post
    I might add this suggestion as well (or if it is already in it, the question of how te reproduce it) :

    Can you telle the script to hold a key down for a fixed amount of time ? That way we could automaticly move or chars as well !

    ( I know this is on the brink of botting, so I'd advise everyone to do this on their own risk)
    Holding down a key, would not be something I would suggest you do. It is rather questionable if this is a 1:1 relation to human action. Still if you direly want to test it, at your own risk, use the following: {Up down} - this will hold down the UP key until it encounters {Up up}. The delays you can manage with the build in random intervals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Namssob
    1) Can you add support for a "special" key? For example, the "up arrow" key to be sent?
    2) Can you add support for time intervals of less than 1 second? Preferably a checkbox that allows for "constant" key sends, maybe with a warning message?
    1. Yes you can. Use {Up} , a complete listing of all the possible special keys, is included in a link in the OP.
    2. There should be no trouble entering random intervals as low as 1 millisecond. Just specify 0.001 - 0.001 in the random interval option.

    @Seoulseeker - no I can't use mic input, but this is a great idea for future feature !
    A bit more serious - there is a thread mentioned in the OP where people got responses from GMs about the matter, you might want to check it out. If you consider this application for a bit, it would be strange to go such lengths for listening to different user input if it's illegal, I might just as well write 10 lines of code that just send commands in a loop with no human interaction. Anyway, I believe everyone is using this with the clear idea, that it is on their own risk and it's definitely not my intention to get anyone banned.
    It's not a bug, it's a feature !

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Seoulseeker View Post
    BLUF: I don't believe that just proving that a human is present at the PC meets the intent of the ToS, and more specifically - automating input to WoW when the user is not actually "playing" (paying attention) is in violation of the ToS.
    Has anyone attempted to contact a GM directly or posted this idea to the Wow UI/Macro forums to get a definitive answer?

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Pliaksi View Post
    Just a few questions:

    1. From what you say, I get that you have tried this and it works in windowed mode, but not full screen, is that correct?
    2. After you do this set-up, what are you doing in order to trigger the script? (e.g. you are browsing, playing another game...)
    3. What random interval do you use?
    1. I have some new insights on the matter. It actually is of no relevance whether you run WoW in windowed or full screen mode. The problem occurs if WoW is minimized. So if I run WoW in windowed mode and do not minimize the window, it works. As soon as I minimize the window, it stops working. Note that the window does not need to have focus. It just may not be minimized.
    2. I did nothing at all. Just having the key sender open and moving around my mouse to test it out
    3. random interval 0.5 - 1

    As far as the legal / illegal discussion goes, I think as long as we just use it for prospecting / milling / deing it is legal. You can turn ore to bars while going AFK. You can set your keyboard up to automatically trigger prospecting macro while you are AFK. I think this is OK, as far as I followed the discussion. But for using it for any more than that I would be very careful.

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    I have another question. Concerning the following statement:

    "For AutoHotKey this means that any kind of delay introduced in your script between sending commands is classified as automation and will get you banned. Please avoid using any kind of delays in your scripts as not only will it get you banned but if Blizzard finds that people abuse AutoHotKey to achieve automation then they may decide to ban AutoHotKey altogether."
    If I set random interval 0.5 - 0.5 does this correspond to no artifical delay in your application? Maybe should remove the feature altogether.

    And also, from following the dicussion about legal or not, we should probably remove the "listen to mouse" feature altogether if we want to distribute this to the public. As this is a public forum, we are actually just doing that ^ ^ Hitting one key triggering one event in WoW seems to be legal if you take this statement serious, as posted by Jenzali:

    "In short: never send keypresses unless you're pressing a key, or rotating the scroll wheel. Every in-game action must be the direct and immediate result of a human action. This relationsihp must follow either the one-to-one relationship (I press a key, the game receives a key), or one-to-many relationship (I press a key, multiple WoW clients all receive a key. This is used all the time in multiboxing)."
    Furthermore, I am sure that Blizzard has the ability to detect such a program. A simple hasFocus() check might suffice. In any way, Blizzard really must have some genious programmers to be able to implement a project like WoW. We often times forget what a technical masterpiece this is. I would not underestimate them.

    It's probably better to let Blizzard know of our intention. Let them see our key sender in their logs and they gonna check "aha, they are just prospecting" and then they let it go at that. But if we try to hide something, they might just ban us.
    Last edited by mstWeal; September 28th, 2011 at 03:12 PM.

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    Where are the above quotes from?

    But sure, I will try and write to Blizzard today, enclosing the script and asking for confirmation if we can use it or not. The only problem I foresee, is that generally their answers are very vague and subject to interpretation.
    It's not a bug, it's a feature !

  8. #28
    I have to say after a couple days of using this it is absolutely awesome for prospecting a few thousand ore a day. I can get projects done for class (University level) and still be productive in game. Keep up the great work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstWeal View Post
    1. I have some new insights on the matter. It actually is of no relevance whether you run WoW in windowed or full screen mode. The problem occurs if WoW is minimized. So if I run WoW in windowed mode and do not minimize the window, it works. As soon as I minimize the window, it stops working. Note that the window does not need to have focus. It just may not be minimized.
    2. I did nothing at all. Just having the key sender open and moving around my mouse to test it out
    3. random interval 0.5 - 1
    Unfortunately I am having hard time reproducing the issue. I cannot test it with WoW, as I don't have it currently installed, but the application can send keys to other minimised applications without an issue. Could you try one more thing please. Do the same set-up, but try to send the keys to a minimised Notepad (not Notepad+) window. Thanks.

    @Others using the application - would anyone be willing to test in WoW, the issue that @mstWeal is having (send keystrokes when WoW is minimised). Thanks.
    It's not a bug, it's a feature !

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    @Pliaksi I tried yesterday with a minimized WoW and I had no problem sending keystrokes. It was in windowed mode though.

 

 

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