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    Scroll of Wisdom - Dump into Darkmoon Cards or...

    I've been back and forth on what to do with my scrolls. I have three scribes cranking them out and have had mixed results with the cards. The trinkets are hard to move, and the cards themselves sell all over the place. With card prices declining, its unclear to me whether its worth it, especially with many more competitors entering the market and raid progression/trinket nerfs coming.

    I'm able to sell Starlight Ink, shoulder enchants, etc at higher margins than the cards, and that's ignoring the price of the scroll. It does help me move large quantities of ink, but it does require a lot of milling to keep up with. I've been considering selling the scroll CD for other's cards, and have been able to at 200g. The other option is the fans, but I don't get motes on my scribes so my margins are less from having to buy the rare fan.

    I suppose my question is: What is your current outlook on scroll usage?

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    I would say - keep them. If trinkets are moving slowly then there's not much you can do and maybe Blizzard will add some new crafting stuff that will need the scrolls.
    Another option is - Blizzard will make SoH BoA or even BoE (and I believe it's more likely), so you will be able to make fans without having to farm the motes.

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    I only have one scribe. I am making cards. I think offhands stink for casters.
    to be honest...making the cards is like gambling..I can't stop making them hoping that I will complete my second deck.
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    I'm still making cards as fast as I can, even buying the crafting services from other scribes.

    Look at the math. On my low pop realm stacks of herbs rarely drop below 100g per stack, often they're much higher. But I only buy when they drop below the 100g/stack mark (160g/stack for fools cap) so my cost to make card is around 1.2k each when I guy the scroll from another scribe.

    8 cards per deck, 1.2 per card, cost to make a deck is a bit less than 10k. I figure it'll be long time before the decks and trinkets drop below 20-30k on my realm so I'm going to keep churning them out. The trick is volume...the more cards you handle the less waste you'll have because RNG will average out your card acquisition.

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    For me cost to make a trinket is 4500g. This includes wastage which I have little of. Herbs are down now so my cost going forward is closer to 4k per trinket. So even the tank trinket I sold for 12000g was very profitable.

    Fans are slow to sell and not nearly as profitable. I do have multiple scribes so that helps.

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    Boem, looking at it that way, you have to consider the RNG and other things:

    - It doesn't account for the time you spend milling, etc. Even with the CKS its time and management for the thousands of ink being handled.
    - It doesn't account for subpar cards and RNG.

    If you price Starlight at 125g for example, best case scenario thats about 1300 per card. Add in the opportunity cost of the scroll, say 200g, and thats 1500 per card. Even without floating cards, thats 12k per trinket. AH listing price has to be 12600 to cover costs.

    If you believe the numbers in Basil Bernsten's article, if you are making dozens of trinkets, its still hard to use more than 50% of your cards. http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/11/12/go...kmoon-trinket/ Assuming you can perfectly sell the other 50% of your single cards from RNG, you may or may not be making money there. If you get an average of 1k per card (with oxen cards and market fluctuations I don't think its that unlikely), then you basically have a 50% chance of losing 300g and a 50% chance to earn 1/8th of the margin above 12600g per trinket. If you sell all your trinkets for 21k to net 20k from the AH, thats (20k-12.6k)/8=925g. The expected value of making a card is thus (925-300)/2=312.5g

    It is positive and big enough to warrant doing, but I wonder, for example, if I could charge 500g for a scroll, should I do that instead? Maybe I'll whip up a spreadsheet model and see what everyone thinks.

    I should also add that I seem to be able to sell as many Starlight Ink as I can list at 125g and above, so if anything, I'm low-balling there.
    Last edited by heartbourne; November 13th, 2012 at 03:22 PM.

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    No, it isn't hard to use more than 50% of your cards in part because you can usually trade for cards that you need. During the last fair I made 42 trinkets. I already had on hand about 20 cards left over from the first fair plus the cards I made from my 12 scribes. I traded for some cards and sold a few cards singly. I ended up with only 6% of my cards not in decks. So, that is virtually no wastage at all. And, frankly, I didn't waste those as I can sell them singly if I choose or keep them for the next fair.

    Obviously herb costs do vary. On my realm it doesn't cost me anywhere near 125g to make a Starlight ink and I sure couldn't sell them for that. My cost per Starlight Ink was 42 gold. Now it is much less. Of course, I realize that isn't true on every realm.

    As far as the opportunity cost of 200g for the scroll, again that is realm dependent. If you don't make cards you basically have 2 money-making options. Make fans - which I have done but don't find it very profitable. Or, sell your cooldown. Again, that is realm specific.

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    I buy fools around 60-90g per stack. For every 10 stacks I mill I get 10 starlight and about 60-70ish of the regular ink which transfers into another 6-7 starlight ink, so basically I get 15 starlight on avg for every 10 stacks of fools I mill. Going by the cost of starlight on my server, which is about 100g each, I could sell that and make about 500g for every 10 stacks I mill, or with cards selling from 1000-4000 each, I could keep milking that, and make some money...

    The old DMF trinkets were still 5-10k after 4.2 on my server. I bought the healer one for 10k after 4.2, and the str/agil ones for about 5k. We aren't even at 5.1 yet, so I think there is still another faire or two before the massive profits on these decrease.

    Since we just finished a faire, a lot of people aren't looking for cards to complete decks, but on my server, I am pretty sure the week before cards will be flying off the AH as people look to make a profit buying up missing or whole sets of cards and selling trinkets at a profit. I actually hate selling trinkets. I have sold a few, but the cards move like water compared to trinkets.

    TBH I think cards are a good bet if your server has sustained prices of 1-4k per card outside the ox deck which seem to run 500g-2500g on my server atm.

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    i use normal herbs instead of fool's cap. sure, you get less starlight per stack, but more starlight per g. I've been buying them for way less than half the price of fools cap. fools cap was 75g-85g, silkweed and rain poppy 30g.

    so per stack i get 5 inks, and half a SL ink. so two of those gets me 10 inks and one Starlight, which i can convert to Starlights. so you get 2 starlights for less than the 1.6 starlight you get from a stack of fool's cap.
    sure it takes longer to mill, but im usually reading a book while i do it, and it costs you less in pure gold (not time i guess)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huldah View Post
    I buy fools around 60-90g per stack. For every 10 stacks I mill I get 10 starlight and about 60-70ish of the regular ink which transfers into another 6-7 starlight ink, so basically I get 15 starlight on avg for every 10 stacks of fools I mill. Going by the cost of starlight on my server, which is about 100g each, I could sell that and make about 500g for every 10 stacks I mill, or with cards selling from 1000-4000 each, I could keep milking that, and make some money...

    The old DMF trinkets were still 5-10k after 4.2 on my server. I bought the healer one for 10k after 4.2, and the str/agil ones for about 5k. We aren't even at 5.1 yet, so I think there is still another faire or two before the massive profits on these decrease.

    Since we just finished a faire, a lot of people aren't looking for cards to complete decks, but on my server, I am pretty sure the week before cards will be flying off the AH as people look to make a profit buying up missing or whole sets of cards and selling trinkets at a profit. I actually hate selling trinkets. I have sold a few, but the cards move like water compared to trinkets.

    TBH I think cards are a good bet if your server has sustained prices of 1-4k per card outside the ox deck which seem to run 500g-2500g on my server atm.
    High Tier herbs:
    [Fool's Cap]

    Milling 1 stack (20) High Tier herbs will result in an average of:
    6 [Ink of Dreams] + 1 [Starlight Ink]

    Low level Herbs (item level 85-87):
    [Green Tea Leaf]
    [Rain Poppy]
    [Silkweed]
    [Snow Lily]

    Milling 1 stack (20) High Tier herbs will result in an average of:
    5 [Ink of Dreams] + 0,5 [Starlight Ink]
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