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    Mysterious Fortune Cards: Finding the most profitable way to make them

    This is a very basic level calculation guide which any knowledgeable to established wow entrepreneur should know, and it is more aimed at those new players who come to our forums in the hopes of learning new tips and improving their auctioneering skills.

    I recommend checking out Sterling's post about too. http://consortium.stormspire.net/con...hat-s-the-Deal

    This is really simple mathematics and calculations, but I've spoken to many friends who simply do not want to get into this whole big because they either think there is too much competition for it to be worth it, or they don't think it would be worth their time.
    Many people are reporting 100g and above sales per card, so when people see that it's selling for 20-40g per card on their server they get discouraged. I want to prove them wrong.

    When wanting to craft there are several different materials you should first check the prices of.:
    • Cataclysm Herbs
    • Ashen Pigment
    • Blackfallow Ink


    I'm going to work from the simplest way downwards.

    Creating from :

    Price Per + Cost of (remember you can buy from Inscription Supplies Vendor, and the price changes according to the reputation you have with that faction) = Price Per .
    Remember to take into account the Auction House Cut which is 0.05 (or 5%) of your sale for Faction Auction Houses and 0.15 (or 15%) of your sale for Neutral Auction Houses.

    This will look something like: 20g + 0g50s = 20g 50s.
    5% of 20g 50s = 1.025 which should be 1 gold 20 silver 50 copper.
    20g 50s + 1g 20s 50c = 21g 70s 50c

    This means that as long as you sell your for above 21g 70s 50c you will be making a profit.


    Creating from :

    Price Per * 2 + Cost of (remember you can buy from Inscription Supplies Vendor, and the price changes according to the reputation you have with that faction) = Price Per .
    Remember to take into account the Auction House Cut which is 0.05 (or 5%) of your sale for Faction Auction Houses and 0.15 (or 15%) of your sale for Neutral Auction Houses.

    This will look something like: 10g * 2 + 0g50s = 20g 50s.
    5% of 20g 50s = 1.025 which should be 1 gold 20 silver 50 copper.
    20g 50s + 1g 20s 50c = 21g 70s 50c

    This means that as long as you sell your for above 21g 70s 50c you will be making a profit.


    Creating from Cataclysm Herbs:

    This one is a bit more complicated so I will give you a longer example of what I spent and did earlier rather. I also sort of worked backwards in this guide but all you need to do if you are buying or - the only two herbs I mill - is plug in how much 25 stacks would cost on your server. For example they cost me 112g each hence 2800g total, if yours cost 200g each then it would be 5000g total. I recommend checking out THIS post on JMTC forums for Cataclysm Herb Milling Drops
    I find I get about 10 Ashen Pigment for every or I mill.


    1) Bought 25 Stacks of for 2800g total (112g a stack).

    2) 25 Stacks of when milled, gives me enough for 127 (so 254 ) and 26 .

    3) sells for about 60-70g each on my server, but I am selling it at 50g each to a friend. So 26 * 50g = 1300g

    4) Therefore I'm going to subtract the profit that I get from from my original cost of which is 2800g - 1300g
    = 1500g

    5) Now you need to add in the cost of the which believe it or not really adds up.
    Each requires 1 and 1 (which cost 50 silver without any reputation with that faction).
    so 127 * 50s = 63g 50s

    6) Add the cost of your herbs and the cost of your parchment together.
    1500g + 63g 50s = 1563g 50s.

    7) Now Divide your cost by the number of you can make.
    1563g 50s / 127 = 12g 31s 10c per

    8) Remember to take into account the Auction House Cut which is 0.05 (or 5%) of your sale for Faction Auction Houses and 0.15 (or 15%) of your sale for Neutral Auction Houses.

    5% of 12g 31s 10c per = 2.89537037037... which should be about 2 gold 61 silver 56 copper.
    12g 31s 10c + 2g 61s 56c. = 14g 92s 66c

    This means that as long as you sell your for above 14g 92s 66c you will be making a profit.

    Edit: I had a few minor problem calculating the 5% of a figure that works with 3 tiers of currency (gold, silver, copper as opposed to our usual 2 tier rl currency such as dollars and cents) as calianna kindly pointed out. They should be fixed now and if not it should only deviate by a few silver. Best practice would be to just reserved yourself 1-2 gold for AH cuts when calculating your profit.

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    Good information. I have been selling my for more then I pay for the herbs right now although they are slow moving and I am trying not to overkill the market. Every I can sell at any price for a profit.

    I am making the and selling those at a higher markup. This recipe is nice because I am not seeing competition yet as it requires 5 cooking tokens to get. When I bark in trade on my alt I link the cookie and say each one acts like a giving you a chance at 5k plus gets you a buff for eating. I still keep a bunch of the on the AH because the trade bark will generate sales of both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeg View Post
    Good information. I have been selling my for more then I pay for the herbs right now although they are slow moving and I am trying not to overkill the market. Every I can sell at any price for a profit.

    I am making the and selling those at a higher markup. This recipe is nice because I am not seeing competition yet as it requires 5 cooking tokens to get. When I bark in trade on my alt I link the cookie and say each one acts like a giving you a chance at 5k plus gets you a buff for eating. I still keep a bunch of the on the AH because the trade bark will generate sales of both.
    That's a good option to sell the Fortune Cookies instead if the Mysterious Fortune Card market is over crowded or has some very ruthless undercutters. As you said even better if you are selling both at the same time.

    Only downside with the cookies is that you have to actually eat them to get the Mysterious Fortune Card right?

    I'm definitely going to make some of those for my friends and guildies as Christmas presents.
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    Ok so last night I went a little crazy with the cookies. 27k in sales with a 5k investment in one night by barking in trade on my other acount every once in a while. 2 people actually whispered me saying they got the 5k card. I congratulated them and said if they would like they could tell trade that it works. The cookies are doing better for me as there is no competition yet because it takes 5 tokens to purchase the recipe. I do know I will have one guildie competing with me tommorow but we will keep the price high 75g each untill another undercutter jumps in.

    When you eat the cookie it automatically flips the card for you even before you get the well fed buff. I advertised it as a BIS raid buff food which for many players it is. And its easier then fishing for your buff food.
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    I checked today... cards on my server are selling for 50s-1g over the cost of the ink. These people are actually losing money trying to sell as many cards as possible. You can buy as many as you want on Tichondrius for 30g each.

    I wonder what the ACTUAL average vendor value of the cards is? It's not 100g (which is what it would be if all 58 cards had an equal chance to drop), but there is eventually a point where it's worth it to turn these cards in for the rewards rather than auctioning them. I wonder what that floor is.

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    I actually foolishly attempted to level an alt's inscription for teh darkmoon cards without properly researching how much it would cost to level past 500. Anyways I've given up because of the investment and lack of information about the sales of darkmoon cards on my server. I made some s while leveling but just flipped em and took a loss. I had a bunch of left and they sell for a bit under 20g per ink, but I sold a stack of them earlier in the expansion and it took days for that to sell, so I wasn't too interested in a small profit over a lengthy period of time so I made 30 cards and sent em to my Bank alt. When I looked at auctioneer data, the average price was about 20g, so I was pretty disappointed. However, when I went to put them up, there was no competition so I said what the hell, I'll try 50g per card. Now Ive sold about 100 cards at 50g per card with no competition so I'm hoping this will be very profitable. They don't move as quickly as say volatiles, but at 30g profit per card, I can't complain too much.

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    Scot - Try a simple trade bark to generate sales especially during prime time. These things are selling ridicolously fast when you get someone hooked they buy more then 1 at a time to try and recoup their initiall loss.

    Cold has a good post up with some fun trade barks @ http://coldsgoldfactory.blogspot.com/

    Be warned though this may invite some competition.
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    I guess i missed getting in on this market. Currently on my server there are over 800 of these up. I've been selling BFI for around 20-30g and Fortune Cards barely go for 30g. Also there's constantly 3-5 people on trade channel advertising these. Even though milling is painful, i'm making enough just milling and selling the blackfallow and inferno.

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    Call me boring but I don’t like the Mysterious Fortune Cards market or the item for that matter.

    I think it a shame that Blizzard has introduced a “gambling item” to the game. Sure I profit from lazy people not knowing what the true value of items are, but I provide them with item that they buy because that have a demand for it. Mysterious Fortune Card only holds the chance to make a lot of money fast but in general they are no even close to paying a fair price for the “lottery ticket” – and when this is the case – I’m very close to calling it a scam when people are offering them at 50G / each in the trade.

    I haven’t seen any verified math on the Mysterious Fortune Cards yet, but I would be VERY surprised if the average value of the Mysterious Fortune Cards is more then around 2,5G (putting an effective floor on a stack of cata herbs around 12g). I’m more likely to thing the average value is around 1G.

    Selling fortune cards at 40 or 50G with the illusion that the chance to profit from them are much higher then it actually is something I don’t like.

    The trade channel are full of lvl 1 bank toons selling then a “hidden” guildes saying “yes I won 5000G yesterday” scam setup.

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    Sure I don't agree with it either, and I'm pretty sure that the average return value is only just above 1 gold. But every single gambling setup has it's odds against the players.

    That's why casinos make so much money, because the odds are in favor of the casino not the player.

    I agree I don't think it's an item that Blizzard should have put into the game, but the fact is that they did, and if I don't profit off it, someone else will.

    My trade advertisement is "Now on the AH 29g [Mysterious Fortune Card]! Each card gives between 10s and 5000g (e.g [Fortune Card]) Need an EPIC FLYER? Here is your chance!"
    If someone whispers me asking what the odds are, I will tell them that it is pretty low else Blizzard would never have implemented it in the first place.

    Many people thoroughly enjoy gambling, not PURELY to win money, most of the time it's the thrill, risk and fun involved with it that hooks a person and gets them coming back. It's a favorite pastime of many and for good reason. There is nothing inherently wrong with Casinos and selling these cards alike, we are rending both a product and a service at the same time. It's a totally optional thing that no one needs to buy at all. If they buy, they buy for fun.

    I agree the trade channel setup scams by using second accounts or friends to say "Yes I won 5000g!" is bad an unethical, but that's that person's problem and conscience not mine. I can't stop others doing that, so I don't try. I choose not to do it myself because I have high morals.


    Also note I don't gamble in real life, my entire family is against gambling and none of us do, so what I have said above is purely me explaining why people do gamble. I can understand the thrill that some might get from it, but it's not for me. I've even been to the casino Monte Carlo in Monaco (place where James Bond Casino Royale was filmed), it was my first time inside a casino and I spent more money on drinks than on the slots or poker.
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