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    The best way to run a low level character to Booty bay is this:

    First, get a mage to port you to Dalaran and set your hearthstone there so you can easily get back.

    Then, return to Stormwind and run south towards Stranglethorn vale. As soon as you can, engage a mob and let yourself die. Run the rest of the way to booty bay as a ghost. You can run over water so don't feel you need to follow the road. When you get to booty bay, take the boat to Ratchet. When there, visit the graveyard and resurrect. Take the boat back to booty bay and you're in business. NOTE: Do not resurrect at the graveyard just outside of Booty Bay - this returns you a graveyard near Stormwind and you'll have to do it all again.

    The best way to run a low level horde character to Gadgetzan is this (this one takes slightly longer as the trip south is further):

    Get a portal to Dalaran and set your hearthstone there. Return to Orgrimmar and head east until you meet a mob. Again, let yourself die. As a ghost, head east to the coast and run south over the sea, taking care to not get fatigued. When you get to Tanaris, deliberately run out into the sea and let yourself fatigued until you die again. You'll reappear at the graveyard near Gadgetzan. Resurrect and run to safety and the neutral AH.

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    You can also locate people with Choppers or Mammoths and tip them for the help. It's best to have a Paladin do it for Crusader Aura and at the very least have someone that can rez you (you will pull everything along the way).

    Normally I'll get on my main account and head to over to the new character (which is always on my other account), whip out the chopper, and head whereever I'm going, avoiding mobs as much as I can. A level one will pull a level 20 mob from about 30 yards. For a Stormwind to BB run, pop a waterwalking elixir and take the water all the way down from Westfall, just watch out for those annoying Murlocs. If your new mule gets owned along the way, rez and continue.

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    Nice info. I often watch the horde/ally pairs in bb and write down their names just to check out their ah transactions and understand my competition a bit more.

    However, in regards to lesson 2 and the discussion involved, I don't agree that being a sniping thief is fine. I've been sniped but wouldn't do that myself. I'm an ethical person in RL and certainly wouldn't change that for some pixelated numbers on a screen.

    When I see people being jerks in wow, (sniping, ninjaing, trolling etc.) I often shake my head and wonder, if they do that in a video game, what kind of crap do they pull in the real world when real money is involved?

    On the other hand, on my server the people who are completely ruthless in their gold pursuits are gold sellers so there is a monetary gain involved. I guess I can understand it a bit more if you are trying to feed your family by ripping off wow players.

    But ripping people off for pretend gold when its not that hard to make it honestly... umm no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayo View Post
    Nice info. I often watch the horde/ally pairs in bb and write down their names just to check out their ah transactions and understand my competition a bit more.

    However, in regards to lesson 2 and the discussion involved, I don't agree that being a sniping thief is fine. I've been sniped but wouldn't do that myself. I'm an ethical person in RL and certainly wouldn't change that for some pixelated numbers on a screen.

    When I see people being jerks in wow, (sniping, ninjaing, trolling etc.) I often shake my head and wonder, if they do that in a video game, what kind of crap do they pull in the real world when real money is involved?

    On the other hand, on my server the people who are completely ruthless in their gold pursuits are gold sellers so there is a monetary gain involved. I guess I can understand it a bit more if you are trying to feed your family by ripping off wow players.

    But ripping people off for pretend gold when its not that hard to make it honestly... umm no.
    You make some very good points Ayo which stir up a whole can of worms.

    On the one hand, we have the idea that anything goes in WoW and it's a free market. So if we can rip people off, why shouldn't we? You know that when someone lists a really cheap item on the neutral AH, they are transferring it, so by taking it from them you're simply playing the game. Their feelings are unimportant as it's just business.

    Taking this logic further presents problems though. Just how far should we go? Listing items in such a way as to fool people into buying them (the old iceblade arrows trick) or deliberately mispricing items in the hope that someone makes a mistake and buys them by accident? I've never been a fan of those methods as they just seem wrong. Importantly, they are NOT against the terms of service so you're not breaking any rules if you do these things.

    We would all be outraged if these strategies were practised in RL as they would probably be against the law and we may fall victim to them ourselves. Vulnerable people would be affected by them and they would prey on the naive. But if they weren't against the law, would we be okay with them? Should Amazon be allowed to list items at silly prices so that foolish or absent minded people buy? Should Wal-Mart be allowed to sell beer in such a way as it looks like your buying a case and when you get home you realise that you've only bought a six pack? You contact their customer services and the only response you get is 'Tough luck buddy - you should have been paying attention???'

    If they weren't against the law, i still wouldn't agree with them because my conscience tells me they're wrong. Does my conscience become irrelevant when I'm playing WoW?

    Furthermore, if we don't care because it's only a game, then why don't we buy gold? Because it's against the terms of service, but it's only a game right, so if we could get away with buying gold, why don't we? Afraid of being scammed or caught? What if you had a sure-fire way of doing it safely - would it be OK because anything goes, or are the terms of service a moral code that we follow because they are right?

    And if we do have this 'take whatever you can' attitude, what are we doing here posting information that could benefit other AH players? Why don't we just lurk and use the strategies but not share them? It seems strange that some posters are saying that anything goes and then they'll post some advice to help out others that may be their competitors.

    Converse to all of this is the idea that we are already ripping people off on a daily basis anyway, as that is what capitalism is all about. The other day i bought a pet for 1500g. I put it on the auction house for 5000g and it sold the next day. Is that ripping people off? When I buy all of a particular commodity and relist it for double the price straight away, is that not ripping people off? I regularly do those things and don't feel bad about it.

    I'm not trying to criticise anyone, as I'm not sure what I think about this whole issue. Where do our morals start and end? Are RL morals completely separate to in game morals?

    Was Gordon Gekko right when he said "The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind."
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    Yes, I agree, its all a matter of degree's in gold making. Although most of the ways we here make gold are fine with me and just a part of the game, sniping does cross the line.

    I see no problem in buying underpriced items and reselling them. I think that many people don't want to spend a lot of time buying and selling on the ah and need some quick gold and that's where I come in. I provide a service, liquidity in a market, and my fee for buying their items is my time and deposits in reselling it and my hard earned knowledge of my realms market.

    Also, we are taking a risk in that we may be wrong in our assessment of its actual value and the seller gets out of his position.
    Last edited by Ayo; October 27th, 2010 at 12:29 PM.

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    Personally, I would say that buying something that someone else has underpriced is a different thing entirely. If they price something low, then they did not make the time or effort to find something's value or didn't care/believe that price. On the other hand, sniping something someone is trying to move stuff across the neutral AH is taking advantage of a vulnerability. Not to mention, it's a vulnerability that really shouldn't exist. With all the other changes to the game and the ability to move items between characters, we should be able to move items without exposing ourselves on the neutral AH. But, it's a small enough issue and affecting few enough players, that I can understand why it hasn't been fixed yet.

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    Thanks Sinshroud, great post!

    I play Horde, and set up as specified in your post using a Horde alt in BB. After a few realtime scans, the first thing I noticed is that that when I tooltip over an item (eg. Nexus Crystal), it shows that only 1 item seen. What appears to be happening is that the market prices are being taken from the X-faction scans, rather than the Horde auction house data which would have shown 1000's of items seen. How can I get the listed prices in the x-faction AH to compare to the market prices from my Horde side AH data for the Arbitrage scan?

    best,

    Ruby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayo View Post
    I see no problem in buying underpriced items and reselling them. I think that many people don't want to spend a lot of time buying and selling on the ah and need some quick gold and that's where I come in. I provide a service, liquidity in a market, and my fee for buying their items is my time and deposits in reselling it and my hard earned knowledge of my realms market.

    Also, we are taking a risk in that we may be wrong in our assessment of its actual value and the seller gets out of his position.
    Excellent point, and I do agree. Reselling is more of a value added transaction in my mind. When you put something up, you are trading off some risk - either in time spent (or not) researching it's price, risk that you'll price it too high, or risk that it will take longer to sell (and more re-listing fees and effort) than you would care to put into it. Even when someone puts up an an item like a for 20 gold, the bottom line is they didn't take the time to research it. You did, you're being rewarded.

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    I'm a meany :P

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    Great post - I love it - thanks Sinshroud!

 

 

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