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    ? Problem with cancelling in a group with multiple auctioning operations

    Hey guys, thanks in advance for the help

    TSM Versions:
    TSM v2.4.1
    Accounting v2.2.13
    Additions v2.1
    AuctionDB v2.3.10
    Auctioning v2.3.1
    Crafting v2.4.3
    Destroying v2.0.6
    ItemTracker v2.0.6
    Mailing v2.1.3
    Shopping v2.3.2
    Warehousing v2.0.9

    What I want to do:
    I have an enchanting group with one crafting operation and five auctioning operations. Crafting is set to always craft 10, no minimum. I want to post in groups of 2 at various %s of crafting cost. The mats used to determine crafting cost are all set to fixed gold amounts that I set in the Crafting > Materials tab in TSM. The 4 highest % auctioning operations (160/200/250/350%) are fixed (same min/normal values), I want it posting at those percentages, no matter what else is up on the AH. The lowest % operation (140%) is set such that it will undercut anything listed and post at minimum when lowest is below min threshold. When my lowest operation's auctions are undercut, I want it to cancel only the lowest operation's auctions. I have the 4 highest % operations post settings to "ignore auctions below minimum" threshold and the "cancel undercut auctions" unchecked.

    What it's doing:
    When doing a posting cycle, everything is working fine. It posts exactly as I want it to post. The problem comes when I try to cancel. It'll do a scan and the lowest % auction will show as "you've been undercut" and it will appropriately want to cancel those two auctions. The other % auctions will show as "at normal price and not undercut" but it still wants to cancel them despite the settings I have for those operations.

    Here's an imgur album with all the settings, etc.
    http://imgur.com/a/Z7F0O#0

    Not sure if I've got a setting wrong or if there's a bug in here somewhere. I talked to @PhatLewts about it in IRC, and he seemed to think it was a bug that when cancelling it's ignoring the cancel settings for all operations in that group except for the first operation.

    Thanks again in advance and for all the hard work with TSM. You guys rock!

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    Well, your top 4 operations shouldn't reeally have "cancel to repost higher" enabled, as competitors will remove auctions around your higher ones, leaving the potential for cancelling and reposting 1g higher - which in turn makes it want to cancel them.

    This is how I read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harmankaya View Post
    Well, your top 4 operations shouldn't reeally have "cancel to repost higher" enabled, as competitors will remove auctions around your higher ones, leaving the potential for cancelling and reposting 1g higher - which in turn makes it want to cancel them.

    This is how I read it.
    I have tried disabling the "cancel to repost higher" for the top 4 operations and get the same results.

    First, the "cancel to repost higher" shouldn't affect anything whether enabled or disabled as in theory the top 4 are all set to fixed gold values - min/max/normal are all set to the same crafting % and the crafting values are based of fixed gold prices that I manually entered in the Crafting > Mats module. There isn't (or at least shouldn't) be a "higher" price to which those auctions can be posted.

    Secondly, that's not what shows up when I do a cancel scan. If the "cancel to repost higher" was the reason for the cancel, it would give the "cancelling to repost higher" in the cancel scan. Instead, it's giving a "above max price and not undercut" and "your auction has not been undercut" in the cancel scan, yet still wanting to cancel it.

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    You're probably right, something bugs with all these nested operations. I use 3-6 auctioning operations myself on several groups, but I rarely cancel - so I haven't experienced this issue.

    This sounds like a job for Sapu94!
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    The one thing that I think ultimately determined that it's a bug or unintended feature is that when @UtesDad set the cancel settings so that it leaves "at least 2" on the auction house, it still cancelled them. I think that the problem stems from the fact that TSM, when doing a cancel scan, is not able to differentiate between which group was which. It doesn't remember what price point it posted at for that specific group, so I could definitely see this being a PITA to fix.

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    Try disabling all the cancel options within all but the first (lowest) operation. Seems like you still have "Cancel to Repost Higher" enabled which might cause issues. Once you do this, could you take screenshots of the post/cancel tabs for all the operations?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapu94 View Post
    Try disabling all the cancel options within all but the first (lowest) operation. Seems like you still have "Cancel to Repost Higher" enabled which might cause issues. Once you do this, could you take screenshots of the post/cancel tabs for all the operations?
    Here ya go:
    http://imgur.com/a/cZxRb#0

    Definitely something fishy. I posted two screenies of the shopping images as well since in the the cancel screen it was returning two messages, the lowest 2 pandaren's step had been undercut while the lowest 2 cloak - superior intellect hadn't. Yet it still wants to cancel [almost] everything (1/72).

    EDIT: Sorry I forgot to include screenies of the post tabs for all the operations - I was trying to do it quickly over my lunch break. Though it does look like @PhatLewts may have been on to something, seems like it's ignoring the cancel settings for all the operations but the first/lowest one (hence the 72 number instead of 80 - it's not cancelling the 8 auctions [2 x 4 items] where I was still the cheapest - the auctions that show "cancelling auction that you've undercut")

    EDIT2: Added the missing post/cancel screenies to the same gallery.
    Last edited by UtesDad; December 31st, 2013 at 04:53 PM.

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    It does seem to be working as intended. It has no way to know which operation an item was posted with, so for each operation that has cancel settings, it'll apply equally to all your current auctions. In the case where your lowest one was undercut, this means all your auctions were undercut. In the case where the lowest wasn't undercut, since you've still posted a few lower than the rest, it'll say that you've undercut yourself. Typically, if you want to cancel, multiple operations will only work if you're posting at different stack sizes and have each operation set to match the stack size (so they are all mutually exclusive).


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    Unless someone else has a better idea, the best thing I've come up with to try to get it to do what I want is to eliminate the cancel options for the highest 4 operations (since they're not really doing anything anyway), and select maybe 6, or 8 in the "keep posted" cancel option for the lowest operation.

 

 

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