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    Responding to Competitors mail

    Well I got my first mail from a competitor today and not what I expected. This guy was asking me to remove the item and relist it for a higher profit. Now this I am all for but the problem I see is that with undercutting and competition I can see the price lowering again to the prices currently 24K - 30K. But then a again being a Relic many people may not have so there may be limited supply between faires.

    Ideas on a reponse?

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    LOL


    Hold on.... I gotta read that again....


    LOL


    Personally, I'd just reply something along the lines of if the market goes up or empty that I would gladly bring the value up.

    Or, tell him it sold and post it on an alt, then change that alt every time it expired and laugh as he tried to keep up.
    Last edited by cracklingice; November 12th, 2012 at 06:42 AM.

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    I already spoke to my main competitors before the Darkmoon Faire regarding the price range in which we should post the trinkets, and I have made similar agreements on a lot of items over the years. Some with great success and other with less.

    Items with a limited supply are perfect for these types of agreements (which is why it’s highly illegal in the “real business world”).

    If you have 5 trinkets to sell you don’t really care what 95 out of 100 think the value of the trinkets are – you are aiming for the 5 players out of 100 willing and able to pay the price YOU want. If I only had a number for all the times I have been flamed in tradechat for being overpriced, greedy ect. while sorting a deal with “that one“ buyer.

    If it was me I would agree to it, but don’t expect the agreement to hold forever. The longer you are away from peoples selling threshold the faster the deal will be broken. But no matter what a 30K posting price is great for barking a cheap price in trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meyer View Post
    Items with a limited supply are perfect for these types of agreements (which is why it’s highly illegal in the “real business world”).
    technically speaking, forming marketing co-ops to control prices or ensure all the sales stay within the co-op is against the TOS; however, I doubt they do anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cracklingice View Post
    technically speaking, forming marketing co-ops to control prices or ensure all the sales stay within the co-op is against the TOS; however, I doubt they do anything about it.
    Can you post the section that states that, I haven't found anything about it in the EULA or TOS.

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    If Blizzard don't already have a rule they can always make one with refrence to: "Anything that Blizzard considers contrary to the "essence" of the Game" in the TOS/TOU.

    That beeing said to claim that an agreement between sellers to keep trinkets at 30K and not like 20K is to go a bit overboard, but theoretically you are right.
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    Like several others have stated, I would agree. Raising the mark and potentially making more gold is worth it. The agreement will be broken eventually, just watch for that.
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    To me, he sounds polite and reasonable. Considering how much prices have dropped since last month, it makes sense to keep them a bit higher before the trinkets become outdated. He's not asking you to stop undercutting him, but to undercut him at a higher price. Who knows, you might get a sale at that price before the undercutting war drives prices back to what they are now.

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    I guess it depends. He is not suggesting what is likely to be an unreasonable price (on my server which is not high-priced both Xuens are still in the low to mid-30s)

    On the other hand, shortly after the first fair I had someone wanting me to list my caster trinket at 85k and telling me all the other sellers were doing that. And, they were. And, they weren't selling. I had sold one for 80k during the fair and had no objection to selling for 85k but I sold a lot of trinkets and the market wasn't there to sell that trinket for 85k and I had several to sell and couldn't afford to just sit there at 85k. I did raise my price some for awhile but got no takers.

    I guess what I am saying is that I understand asking someone to post at market price and not severely undercut when it would sell at the higher price. I saw someone pricing a trinket in the AH the other day for 10k less than I know they sell at (because I was selling successfully in the same time frame). There was just no reason to lower the price to say 15k when you can sell them fairly easily at 25k. On the other hand, if the market price is 25k, it doesn't necessarily get you sales for everyone to ask 50k. Many people who would buy at 25k won't buy at 50k. And so you just sit there.

    Some of my competitors sat on trinkets at above 80k for almost the entire time between fair 1 and fair 2. Fine with me. Then right before fair 2 started they slashed prices to the mid-30s range. In the meantime I had been steadily selling trinkets in the mid-50s so I ended up making more gold overall.

    If I was you I would try raising to 30k range or so and see what happens. If you sell relatively quickly then fine. If you don't then slowly lower the price to where it sells.

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    I have personally made similar agreements with folks in other areas over the years as well I would say, if you are setting up this kind of a deal, why not push it up even further? Now, I don't know your server but agree to what you think you server will be able pay and prices it around that or a little above.

    And like someone mentioned, these trinkets will be good this tier and this tier alone. After that, this section of the profession will be essentially gone. It is only reasonable to capitalize as much as possible now.

 

 
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