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  1. #21
    I wish I could get sellers to give me a counter-offer. Most of the time it's just no, or occasionally "no, thanks." Or if they have another bidder, almost never do I get a seller who will try to work us both to get a higher number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    I wish I could get sellers to give me a counter-offer. Most of the time it's just no, or occasionally "no, thanks." Or if they have another bidder, almost never do I get a seller who will try to work us both to get a higher number.
    I mentioned what to do when they say "hell no" but I can try to add to that a bit. As I mentioned in the OP, when they say no all is not lost. Sometimes a no from a seller is actually them trying out a haggling method themselves. They are hoping you respond with a better offer, make you chase them. With this in mind you can at least know that some of the folks who say no still want to try and make a deal.

    There are a couple ways you can approach this with your next whisper:

    *Simply ask how much they are looking for - They may have asked for an offer initially, most likely hoping you'd offer "too much," but now that you've made an offer you can often coax a price range out of the seller. Once you can get a seller to actually say how much they want for an item you have a place to haggle from. Oftentimes the seller quoting their price will also provoke more "tells" where you can judge whether or not they will come down a bit on their price.

    *Make another offer - A tactic I don't prefer but it can work. Offering more can show the seller you are genuinely interesting in the item and actually get them to start haggling. Just never come across as too anxious, don't re-offer too quickly.

    The key is to get them communicating with you. Don't take no for an answer so to speak, at least not the first no. Once you can actually get the communication open you can flex your haggling muscles. Here's a trick I recommend and something I will be adding to the OP:

    *Make 2 offers in the same whisper - This method is a way to show the seller that you were looking to spend X, but that you've "conceded" and are willing to spend Y. Let me give an example of how this works with a scenario.
    You whisper a seller asking for a price and they ask you to offer. You say 500g and they say no. So you ask them a price again and they quote you 1500g. Now you can say something like this: "Well I was really hoping for 700, but I can do 1050." You are really only offering them one offer of 1050, but in essence you've upped your price twice in the eyes of the seller. You are also giving them a sense of "winning" because to them it appears you went well above what you were looking to spend. It allows you to haggle and "win" because you've haggled their price down by 450g, and they feel like they won because they got you to spend 350g more than you were "hoping to." Keep in mind that all of this is subject to the market value of the item whether or not it is even worth haggling the deal. If the item's market value is only 1200g you'd need to do some serious haggling to get the seller down to a profitable price point if they're trying to get 1500 out of it.
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    Just to give everyone a real world example of how something like this can work.

    Guy in trade: [Disgusting Oozeling] 7k, pst
    I look it up in TUJ, which shows it as 7k market value with 2268g standard deviation
    10 min passes with him repeating it about every 30 secs
    Me: I'd do 3.5k (1/2 of TUJ market value)
    Him: I won't even think below 5k
    Me: Would you think about 4k?
    Him: I'm on [A Hidden Message] (the rogue legendary chain)
    Another 2 min passes as I look up the quest
    Me: Ah, the one where you need 10k
    Him: I'm at 2.2k and have that and some [Smooth Lightstone] on the AH
    I look up TUJ for [Smooth Lightstone]
    TUJ shows it as 1750g market value with 450g standard deviation
    Me: I'll give ya 5k for the pet and the gem (I'm thinking 4k for the pet, 1k for the gem)
    Him: Well I have some others too that I can't remember, maybe we can make a deal
    Him: [Smooth Lightstone]x2 and [Fierce Lava Coral]x1
    Him: How about 6.5k for all of it
    Me: 6.5k for the pet and the 3 gems?
    Him: Yup
    Me: Sounds fair enough

    Ended up getting 11.6k worth of stuff (according to TUJ) for 6.5k

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtesDad View Post
    Just to give everyone a real world example of how something like this can work.

    Guy in trade: [Disgusting Oozeling] 7k, pst
    I look it up in TUJ, which shows it as 7k market value with 2268g standard deviation
    10 min passes with him repeating it about every 30 secs
    Me: I'd do 3.5k (1/2 of TUJ market value)
    Him: I won't even think below 5k
    Me: Would you think about 4k?
    Him: I'm on [A Hidden Message] (the rogue legendary chain)
    Another 2 min passes as I look up the quest
    Me: Ah, the one where you need 10k
    Him: I'm at 2.2k and have that and some [Smooth Lightstone] on the AH
    I look up TUJ for [Smooth Lightstone]
    TUJ shows it as 1750g market value with 450g standard deviation
    Me: I'll give ya 5k for the pet and the gem (I'm thinking 4k for the pet, 1k for the gem)
    Him: Well I have some others too that I can't remember, maybe we can make a deal
    Him: [Smooth Lightstone]x2 and [Fierce Lava Coral]x1
    Him: How about 6.5k for all of it
    Me: 6.5k for the pet and the 3 gems?
    Him: Yup
    Me: Sounds fair enough

    Ended up getting 11.6k worth of stuff (according to TUJ) for 6.5k
    Nicely done and a perfect example of how to buy multiple items from the same seller in a package deal.
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  5. #25
    "Him: I'm on [A Hidden Message] (the rogue legendary chain)" was the tell.

    It immediate implies he is in desperate need of gold and can be leveraged to get more goods the closer you get him to the 10k mark.

    Unfortunately, most sellers in /2 will not be so forthcoming with a tell like that and you just have to assume they're after the maximum sale price for their product

    Great thread btw!

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    Great Job! Well written, and fluid. I probably do 80% of my big deals via trade. I am still picking up captured fireflies for 2k each and Hyacinth Macaw for as low as 5k. Trade is there for a reason!

  7. #27
    I really wish people would read this before whispering me on items im selling :X

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    A big thing I like to do as soon as I spot the deal is to immediately whisper the seller something along the lines of "I'll buy" and invite him to group. Having the seller in the group through many trials has shown for me to be more effective in landing the item(s) in question especially if you go to their location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camirex View Post
    A big thing I like to do as soon as I spot the deal is to immediately whisper the seller something along the lines of "I'll buy" and invite him to group. Having the seller in the group through many trials has shown for me to be more effective in landing the item(s) in question especially if you go to their location.
    This is a good tip. Sometimes someone gets multiple whispers but will sell to the buyer that invited them to group first. Added to main post!
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  10. #30
    There's also another method you can easily employ if you have 2 accounts. Let's say he's trying to sell a slow moving item for 8k, you could probably sell it for 10-12k, you log 2 characters and whisper a pretty low ball-price from one of them, say 4k. You wait for the seller to reply, and through conversation you convince him you can't/won't go higher than that. At this point he either agrees to sell for some reason (which may actually be possible considering you should always be polite and use all your tricks regardless of being on a different account) or refuses the price. Then you offer a slightly higher price from the other account, for instance 4.5k, at which point the seller is getting worried he may have had some wrong information about his item. Now you just send a random whisper from the first character, to clear any doubts he might have that you're one person, either offering like 5% more or just sending something and saying you sent it to the wrong person. Then you log off that character and log on a different one. While you're logging you keep talking to him on the character which offered 4.5k because he may start haggling now. Before you close the deal you send another low ball offer from the 3rd character you just locked making a blow which usually makes him close the deal. It may not be the most ethically correct approach but it works well.

 

 

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