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  • [Inscription] Guide on "WINNING" with MoP glyph preparation

    Since inscription questions have been popping up more and more frequently, I thought it might be a good idea to write up a quick guide on how to prepare and execute a successful MoP glyph launch. This will serve as a centralized overview of the upcoming MoP glyph "rush".

    Step 1: Buy cheap herbs. NOW! You can use whatever price you feel comfortable with (I've been working with 7g/ink, which translates into approx 20g glyphs), but you want to buy ANY and ALL herbs that will produce ink below that price. If you feel you've got enough, lower your price, but don't stop buying. Anything you don't buy is something your competition probably will.

    Step 2: Process into ink. For the most part, you will be milling cata level herbs, resulting in large quantities of [Blackfallow Ink] and [Inferno Ink]. Find whatever method works best for you to offload the inferno ink, but hang onto the blackfallow. Store it in your GBanks, Alt's Banks, or Mailboxes, but you ideally want to get as much [Blackfallow Ink] as you can right now. NOTE: 1 stack of every glyph = approx 20k ink. Plan accordingly.

    Step 3: Convert the ink. As late as you feel comfortable with, trade your blackfallow in for lesser inks prior to patch 5.0.1. If that's Monday night (or Tues for EU), great. If you want to do it the weekend, or even week beforehand, that's fine, but the later you can afford to leave it, the easier it will be to adapt and react to any hiccups. As far as how to convert the inks, you can visit http://mop.wowhead.com/skill=773#recipes:0-11+16+1 and enter "glyph of" in the search field and sort by reagent to get an idea of approximately how the ink distribution will play out. NOTE: if you have enough ink stockpiled, specific ink distribution will be negligible. IE. You shouldn't run out of any ink until you can afford to restock them at whatever your ink buying price was in the first place.

    Step 4: Craft glyphs. All glyphs that don't appear on this list prior to 5.0.1 should be queued up. The new talent system for Cata went live with 4.0.1, and the new glyph system along with it. Be prepared to start selling glyphs AS SOON as 5.0.1 launches. If that means pre-crafting a certain number of glyphs so you can focus your early time on posting, then you should try to estimate how many posting cycles you expect to go through until you'll be able to get crafting again. My estimation would be that you will want to have about 5-10 of each glyph on hand for that first night.

    Step 5: Keep buying herbs. Without the possibility of trading in Blackfallow for lesser inks, unprepared scribes will start flocking to old-world herbs to try to keep up with demand. Set up a snatch list for old world herbs that fall below your buy price from earlier, just make sure to ignore Cata herbs. NOTE: you don't even need to worry about processing these herbs immediately, so unless you are in need of a certain type of ink before [Ink of Dreams] becomes available, all you are trying to do is keep an edge in margins over the competition.

    Step 6: Restock glyphs. Don't worry about price data and TSM settings at this point for restocking - keep EVERYTHING at whatever minimum quantity you need to keep posting in between restock cycles. Pricing and trends will only start to matter once the rush dies down. The purpose of this guide is to be able to take advantage of every possibility glyphs end up presenting without spending time over-analyzing everything.

    Step 7: Important timelines to watch out for. First of all, you want to make sure you have enough old-world inks to last you from 5.0.1 until about a month or so into 5.0.3, when prices on MoP herbs will presumably start to level out. I'd give yourself approx. 15 weeks or so here to be safe. So, based on your server size, make sure you can last that long without NEEDING to restock (don't get forced into overpaying for old-world herbs). The first demand rush will come right after 5.0.1 launches, since that's when the new glyph system/glyph effects should go live. The first couple nights and then the first weekend will probably yield the highest sales. The second demand rush will come with 5.0.3, when a number of players will roll fresh alts under the new Pandaren race. Again, the first few nights, and especially the first weekend (since fresh alts won't NEED glyphs right away) will be the best opportunity.

    Step 8: Come back here and boast about how much profit you made. Simple as that.

    This thread will be updated as additional information becomes available, especially dates, so be sure to check back frequently.

    Good Luck!
    This article was originally published in forum thread: [Inscription] Guide on "WINNING" with MoP glyph preparation started by Kathroman View original post
    Comments 331 Comments
    1. Tangster's Avatar
      Tangster -
      Nice write up Kath. Great basics on how to make stupid amounts of gold in the first few weeks with glyphs. I came here thinking i'd have plenty to add but you covered it all! :P

      +rep
    1. Kathroman's Avatar
      Kathroman -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tangster View Post
      Nice write up Kath. Great basics on how to make stupid amounts of gold in the first few weeks with glyphs. I came here thinking i'd have plenty to add but you covered it all! :P

      +rep

      Yeah, had to remove "Mini" from the original title when it was all said and done. I think it was only 4 steps in my head, too...
    1. yanrogue's Avatar
      yanrogue -
      Great read! I've made 20 of each glyph for my server, but I'm worried I may have too many glyphs. I play on windrunner and I never see more then 2k glyphs up at any given time.

      +rep thanks
    1. Kathroman's Avatar
      Kathroman -
      Quote Originally Posted by yanrogue View Post
      Great read! I've made 20 of each glyph for my server, but I'm worried I may have too many glyphs. I play on windrunner and I never see more then 2k glyphs up at any given time.

      +rep thanks
      Well, I'm personally going to run a pretty large stockpile, because my plan is to hopefully retire from gylphs for good after this and never have to restock once the stockpile dries up. So, I'm not sure there's such a thing as "too many glyphs" You might have gone too big too fast (IE. if you've got a stack of any of the Faded Gylphs sitting around, you might be scrambling to dump them before MoP) but I wouldn't feel prepared with just a single stack of each. Not without a substantial ink stockpile to back it up.
    1. Tangster's Avatar
      Tangster -
      There is another train of thought (@Stede brought it up i believe) that suggests NOT pre-crafting to avoid any possibility of losing stock when 4.4 rolls around (i.e not having 40 glyphs turn into [Charred Glyph])

      I think both ways have pros and cons.
      Pre Crafting
      Pros
      Won't have to afk craft everything on patch day, which allows you to:
      Post immediately
      Ignore most technical issues (post and log)
      Set the price (to an extent)

      Cons
      May lose a stack or two
      SMALL chance you lose it all. I'm not entirely clear on the programming that goes on during a patch, but i'm not completely ruling out blizz assigning all glyphs a [Charred Glyph] ID and THEN reassigning new glyphs, old glyph IDs. I doubt this will happen...but its been bugging me...

      Post-Crafting
      Pros
      No chance of losing any money
      Will have the same or more stock then an equal pre-crafter

      Cons
      Prices will be set (to an extend, they will still be very volatile and prone to manipulation) upon market (re)entry
      Couple hours of CKS to get your stock completely ready
      Sales more affected by technical issues

      Although the technical issues aren't a big concern. If the server goes down, no ones buying stuff anyway.

      However the important thing to note is if you are stockpiling correctly (i.e doing what @Kathroman says) the difference in profits from these to methods will probably be trivial.
      Food for thought
    1. Kathroman's Avatar
      Kathroman -
      @Tangster - since we've already seen a few glyphs go the way of [Faded Glyph] - I'm not really expecting any huge surprises from Blizz here. There would be far too much outrage from both sides (since everyone will need to relearn these glyphs all over again), but on the plus side...everyone will need to learn glyphs all over again

      At any rate, I believe we'll have more than enough time to see it coming, and pre-crafting during the week before the patch is probably going to be the best route, IMO
    1. Ravanys's Avatar
      Ravanys -
      I'm not actually convinced we should be stocking glyphs right now, whilst yeah it's VERY unlikely that they'd do any kind of ID change on a large scale the fact remains they're actually still switching materials around for certain glyphs. You may end up with a stock pile worth considerably less than you anticipated if it ends up being able to be supplied by the most saturated tier of herbs (likely the cataclysm ones for a while).
    1. mackieftw's Avatar
      mackieftw -
      You have already said that we should not stock glyph's but here you say to stock them? Why the sudden change?
    1. Kathroman's Avatar
      Kathroman -
      Quote Originally Posted by skrillex View Post
      You have already said that we should not stock glyph's but here you say to stock them? Why the sudden change?
      I never said don't stockpile them, I said don't stockpile them YET. If you don't have ANY pre-crafted before 5.0.1, then you'll be wasting valuable AH time spamming that Craft Next button. Just don't start anything right now that can't be easily undone.
    1. Z-Man's Avatar
      Z-Man -
      Glyphs also take up one-third the space of ink. If the ink stockpiling reaches an unmanageable level, the risk of losing glyphs may be worth taking if it frees up two-thirds of your bank space for more ink or glyphs.

      (For those worried about numbers, I stockpiled 37,000 glyphs with 12,000 ink left over for Glyphmas. My ink stockpile for MoP is already well past those numbers. You can never have too much ink.)
    1. Meyer's Avatar
      Meyer -
      Without taking ANY sales data in to account, and only look at the materials needed to craft glyphs you get this distribution you can use to trade inks with


      (bassed on mop.wowhead.com data from 21st of June 2012)

      It's almost the same distribution as I used back in 4.0.

      Hole point is just to giv you an idea of what inks you should have in stock. As you can see if you have all your inks in Blackfallow Ink the day they remove the ink trader its pretty sad as we only have 1 glyph in the game, which uses that ink.

      Personally i still have a pretty large amount of ink already stocked up, as i left the Glyphmarket for several months. Theres absolutely no challange in this market once your calculations and addons are setup (that the fun part). After that I just felt reduced to a "push that button a million times" monkey.
    1. Merithra's Avatar
      Merithra -
      Will you buy your inks just from the MoP list, and precraft every MoP glyph? The problem I see with that, is that are plenty of glyphs there that are easily trainable, and such, have a usual very low price on market. I took a vacation on the whole wotlk period, so I missed glyphmas and all that, but.. Won't be better to just do a list or the glyphs trained by research + books, remove the soon to be faded glyphs from there, and buy the inks thinking mostly on those? Or will you experienced glyphers just precraft every single mop glyph, regardless of it being easily trainable? (I take into account that unprepared inscriptionist won't have ink to pose a thread, but still there will be people leveling inscription and putting tons of those glyph for cheap)
    1. Flemzi's Avatar
      Flemzi -
      I've never really been bothered to enter the glyph market, I've been fine with minimum work selling vanity items and enchanting scrolls.
      This post might've changed my mind though! Work super hard for some time, sit back and relax for weeks selling all your stocked up glyphs?

      Just my style!
    1. Khelynna's Avatar
      Khelynna -
      Nice writeup, Kath. And thanks for the percentage breakdown of inks, Meyer. +rep to both of you! ^.^
    1. fateswarm's Avatar
      fateswarm -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tangster View Post
      SMALL chance you lose it all. I'm not entirely clear on the programming that goes on during a patch, but i'm not completely ruling out blizz assigning all glyphs a [Charred Glyph] ID and THEN reassigning new glyphs, old glyph IDs. I doubt this will happen...but its been bugging me...
      I'd like to add to this paranoia the theoretical - and far fetched - possibility the inks themselves to be reset. Even if the old inks exist, they can in theory reset the market in whole by making all inks grey and then assigning new IDs to replacements that have to be rebought. The same can happen to herbs themselves.

      This is extremely far fetched and I wouldn't bet on it at all. But I mention it just for the sake of completism. It's a game and in theory they can do it.
    1. twitchietgw's Avatar
      twitchietgw -
      Great guide, and thanks for the breakdown @Meyer . I'm in the camp of stockpiling as many glyphs as possible, so I don't have to even think about creating glyphs for profit in that first month of the new expansion. There are so many other things I'm looking forward to doing, there won't be much downtime for restocking.
    1. goodgear's Avatar
      goodgear -
      Quote Originally Posted by Kathroman View Post
      but on the plus side...everyone will need to learn glyphs all over again
      Will they? I haven't heard one way or another how significantly the glyph system is changing. Except for the removal of primes, is anything else changing in the glyph pane?

      IIRC, when Cata hit, my characters still all the glyphs that they had active pane the moment patch 4.0.2 launched, even if the glyph had been changed to something completely different. I'm wondering if it will be the same with 5.0.1; everyone will still know all the glyph IDs they had already. What have folks seen then they copied an 85 over from live servers?
    1. Kathroman's Avatar
      Kathroman -
      Quote Originally Posted by goodgear View Post
      Will they? I haven't heard one way or another how significantly the glyph system is changing. Except for the removal of primes, is anything else changing in the glyph pane?

      IIRC, when Cata hit, my characters still all the glyphs that they had active pane the moment patch 4.0.2 launched, even if the glyph had been changed to something completely different. I'm wondering if it will be the same with 5.0.1; everyone will still know all the glyph IDs they had already. What have folks seen then they copied an 85 over from live servers?

      No, I don't think they ACTUALLY will. I was speaking to a hypothetical situation in which Blizzard stymied scribes across the board by replaced all existing glyphs with brand new ones needing to be learned. Fortunately, this doesn't appear to be the way things are shaping up
    1. theatermusic87's Avatar
      theatermusic87 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tangster View Post
      There is another train of thought (@Stede brought it up i believe) that suggests NOT pre-crafting to avoid any possibility of losing stock when 4.4 rolls around (i.e not having 40 glyphs turn into [Charred Glyph])

      I think both ways have pros and cons.
      Pre Crafting
      Pros
      Won't have to afk craft everything on patch day, which allows you to:
      Post immediately
      Ignore most technical issues (post and log)
      Set the price (to an extent)

      Cons
      May lose a stack or two
      SMALL chance you lose it all. I'm not entirely clear on the programming that goes on during a patch, but i'm not completely ruling out blizz assigning all glyphs a [Charred Glyph] ID and THEN reassigning new glyphs, old glyph IDs. I doubt this will happen...but its been bugging me...

      Post-Crafting
      Pros
      No chance of losing any money
      Will have the same or more stock then an equal pre-crafter

      Cons
      Prices will be set (to an extend, they will still be very volatile and prone to manipulation) upon market (re)entry
      Couple hours of CKS to get your stock completely ready
      Sales more affected by technical issues

      Although the technical issues aren't a big concern. If the server goes down, no ones buying stuff anyway.

      However the important thing to note is if you are stockpiling correctly (i.e doing what @Kathroman says) the difference in profits from these to methods will probably be trivial.
      Food for thought
      An additional pro to the ink stockpile is better adaptability to the new monk glyphs. Assuming there are some learned from a trainer, and spread through out the ink levels, I'm convinced that an ink stockpile is a better way to go.

      If anything I'm stockpiling the MINOR glyphs... things that most people don't have now because they suck, but are shaping up to be fun and flavorful come mists. Going for a full stack of each atm and i don't even SELL glyphs... stocking up just so i can compete in what i expect to be a HUGE new market opening for the first couple weeks of mists
    1. Tangster's Avatar
      Tangster -
      I think at the end of the day i'll go both ways (wink wink). I'm going to have ~10 of each glyph ready to go on launch with the rest in ink. That way i can set prices high and get some market control quickly while i craft. Not only that but i currently have plans to xfer my scribe to a server with slightly more...competition...so i'll make sure to keep a stack of each on my home server as well.