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  • Interesting GM Response about Selling Game Time Cards for Gold

    Disclaimer: I am not at all suggesting that people sell game cards for gold although I know no regulars of this forum would consider doing such a thing.

    So I've seen a lot of people spamming trade with "wts game card pst" or "wtb game time X gold" lately so I decided to put up a ticket asking what blizzard's stance is on people who do this. After two useless responses and a lot of bashing my head against the wall, I got this:

    Greetings,

    To answer your first question: Is it legal to sell game time cards for in game gold?

    It isn't illegal in the sense that it breaks laws outside of the World of Warcraft. That being said, according to the terms off use; "Blizzard does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the “real world” of anything that appears or originates in the Game. Accordingly, you may not sell in-game items or currency for “real” money, or exchange those items or currency for value outside of the Game."

    This means that if you purchase a Game Time Card for gold, and the transaction goes bad, we will not honor the terms of the agreement for you as the card was purchased outside of the game. I highly recommend not purchasing any Game Time Cards or Pets/Mounts for Gold as the probability for being scammed is high, and you may not be refunded your gold.

    As for your next question: If it's not legal, what penalties would somebody face if they were saying "wts game card" in trade chat?

    They will not get in any trouble for advertising; however if a transaction goes bad, not only will we not honor the agreement, due to the fact we do not support this kind of transaction; it is highly probably that the "scammer" will be actioned. The severity of the penalty depends on the circumstance. Account penalties range from Warnings up to Account Closure.

    For further information please review the Terms of Use at: Blizzard Entertainment: World of Warcraft Terms of Use

    I hope I was able to clarify this for you and answer your questions.

    If you have any further questions or concerns, do not hesitate to let us know. ^^ Thank you for playing the World of Warcraft, may your journeys be Glorious!
    I guess I'm disappointed about the "we'll only do something if they scam you" approach. Any thoughts?
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    Comments 7 Comments
    1. Shodokan's Avatar
      Shodokan -
      I wonder if buying cdkeys is against the ToS... hmm...
    1. Z-Man's Avatar
      Z-Man -
      Could always just quote a Blue: Blue!
    1. Thefluffyrocker's Avatar
      Thefluffyrocker -
      I'm really surprised they are so lax on enforcement of this although it does fit with how lax they seem take the whole gold selling issue as a whole.

      If people get scammed and actually make a ticket saying "i sold gold but didn't get paid" i would at least expect them to ban that person as they have just sent a ticket, admitting to a bannable offense. If the worst they do is tell you tough luck then where is the reason not to try, especially if you have some very easy to aquire, spare gold lying around to spend on it.

      Blizzards whole philosphy on gold selling just seems self defeating, backward and pointless. If the people who care have no reason not to try, in a game sense, then they will keep trying and you will never defeat the problem as there will always be people willing to pay.
    1. Nilaus's Avatar
      Nilaus -
      Quote Originally Posted by Thefluffyrocker View Post
      Blizzards whole philosphy on gold selling just seems self defeating, backward and pointless. If the people who care have no reason not to try, in a game sense, then they will keep trying and you will never defeat the problem as there will always be people willing to pay.
      Considering that D3 will allow this kind of transactions then it is a double-standard if they enforce it hard in WoW. Additionally, every time someone sells a mount for gold then Blizzard just made money they wouldn't otherwise make. From that perspective I can see why they choose not to focus too intensively on this issue. Considering the average waiting time for a GM ticket, I think the GMs are busy enough as it is.
      Though of course I don't condone it and I would love that it was either severely punished or legalized, this grey area is extremely annoying for law-abiding, yet greedy citizens of Azeroth, such as myself.
    1. calianna's Avatar
      calianna -
      I don't know that I'd call it a double-standard. Strictly speaking, it's against the terms. If you violate something against the terms of use, you are subject to whatever penalty that Blizzard chooses. But, in truth, they don't need any reason at all.

      Straight from the Terms of Use
      BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ANY BNET ACCOUNT OR WORLD OF WARCRAFT ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU.
      If you want some entertainment, here's the link to the Terms of Use.

      Some fun sections include "Rules related to Usernames", "Rules related to Chat".

      Here are some usernames that are specifically called out as examples of names you may not use:

      Inyourface - Search - World of Warcraft - 217 characters
      Welovebeef - Search - World of Warcraft - 28 characters
      Asdfasdf - Search - World of Warcraft - 211 characters
      Roflcopter - Search - World of Warcraft - 217 characters

      There is also mention of not using names of Blizzard employees and yet there are 116 Ghostcrawlers (Search - World of Warcraft)


      Ultimately, I think the conclusion we can draw from all this is that if nobody complains, there are a lot of areas that Blizzard let's slide. I think the main reason that people run into trouble with buying game time, mounts and pets is that they are purchased with stolen credit cards.
    1. Belgeran's Avatar
      Belgeran -
      Gotta say ive bought a GC off those level one chinese spammers before, half up front half after, had no issues. Glad to see this response from GM's though as ive always been very wary about doing it, and rathered spend $ than take a chance at being banned. Im happy to take the risk of being scammed to save $.
    1. Koliantrix's Avatar
      Koliantrix -
      Everyone be careful - even if they legitimately sell you the stuff, they may still be scamming you.I bought a winged lion mount for 12k a few weeks after it came out. I put in the code, received the mount and learnt it on two characters (it's account wide). I logged off, came back about two hours later and noticed i didn't have it anymore - apparently the code i'd been given was fraudulent (stolen credit card i'm guessing), so blizz removed the mount and didn't refund the gold.