Register
  • Stockpile Report - Part 1: Sell Me Your Titanium!

    Today is a milestone for The Consortium, user activity has reached unprecedented levels and it's humbling to see the hard work pay off. This is a great indicator that the site is flourishing. I'd like to extend a big THANK YOU to all site members. We've seen some awesome content on the forums and part of the site's success is attributed to you. You guys/gals are the best! You're the bee's knees, the cat's meow, the snake's hips, th-... ahem.

    Anyway, today I'll throw in a few extra snatch list items to mark the milestone. Most of these should be saved until Cataclysm. Here you go fellas:



    It is rumored that AQ will be revamped, and it's unknown whether these recipes will still drop in Cataclysm. Grab a few, if you can.



    Dropped off a rare elite that I could not find on beta realms - if this rare mob is indeed removed, let's hope the recipe will share the same fate.



    Consistently flipping this one from ~300g to 900g.



    Northrend will be completely deserted once Cataclysm sets in. Without portals, Dalaran will become a ghost town. Suffice to say, players will rarely go out of their way to pick up their weekly in hopes of obtaining one of these pets. I've stockpiled hundreds of these, you should do the same!

    On the topic of stockpiling, I've had a few users ask what I've been stockpiling. The least I can do is provide a report for my dear readers, and hopefully provide some insight as to where one should empty his purse (or murse - manpurse). I won't provide a breakdown of every single item I've stockpiled, this would be ridiculous and totally overwhelming for the reader. I've sunk ~700k into this, leaving my current gold count at 57k. We'll start off with a bite-sized chunk of what I've invested in.

    First things first, I've invested in something most bloggers have recommended dumping: and . This is a little bit scary, because now I'm going against the grain. On the bright side, I can make up some lame excuse if this fails... but if I'm right, I can brag about it all day long. Regardless, I should discuss why I think Titanium is a solid investment.

    It's all about relative supply vs demand. Remember the days where cost you 3g? There was ample supply, and steady demand. Have you checked the price of Khorium lately? No? A stack of costs 1400g (and I'm not exagerating, check your AH). How can we explain this mindblowing price surge? When WotLK hit, the supply completely dried up. You would expect demand to dry up as well, but there is lingering demand from key Burning Crusade (and WotLK) items.

    My prediction is that Titanium will follow suit. Several WotLK engineering recipes will create this "lingering demand", let's check them out:

    • (1)
    • (8)
    • (36) /
    • (24)


    Versus the lingering demand for as driven by:

    • (6)
    • (3)
    • (3)
    • (24)


    See where I'm going? Zerohour and MadKat put things into perspective in the chat box:

    (about Titanium)
    • [Zerohour] What item will still require it and be a big ticket
    • [Zerohour] and relevant
    • [MadKat] Clue, it's a type of mount.
    • [Zerohour] Hey, no telling!
    • [Zerohour] With the anticipated inflation, what item will be more in reach of the average player?
    • [Zerohour] Titanium would be a sound investment to go long on
    • [Zerohour] Titansteel more specifically
    • [Zerohour] But yeah, put the word out. Dump your titanium people!


    Still, the prospecting-driven demand for Titanium Ore will disappear. I think this is where most investors turn away from Titanium. Regardless, I'd really like to hear what other bloggers have to say about this (hi Markco!).

    Will you invest in Titanium?
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Stockpile Report - Part 1: Sell Me Your Titanium! started by Sterling View original post
    Comments 26 Comments
    1. Zerohour's Avatar
      Zerohour -
      No, you sell ME your Titanium.

      I'm bullish on Titanium and motorcycles for a good reason. The biggest barrier to entry is the price. 12,500g of your own gold up-front, 2 Arctic Furs (hey, who's going to be farming Sholo Basin come Cata? Anyone? Bueller?), 40 Cobalt Bolts, and 12 Titansteel Bars. The only common mats here will be the parts, which will require a trip to K-3 (oh wait, my mage is an engineer).

      The following spam will go unanswered: "LF Engineer to make motorcycle. My mats. Please go to K-3 with me from Stormwind/Orgrimar (for a lousy tip because I have no more gold) and blow your hearth."

      Or, you can have all this stuff laying around and charge a premium for the ability to walk up to an auctioneer and retain a mount with no fuss or muss.

      Surprisingly most of my fortune is tied up in deflation proof and portable motorcycle keys at the moment.
    1. Thefluffyrocker's Avatar
      Thefluffyrocker -
      I currently a decent business in Hogs and plan to keep that running into the expansion, therefore have been stockpiling titanium/saronite specifically for that purpose as i foresee titanium going the way of khorium but with the added factor of it actually being a core material of a general use and reasonably high demand item.i.e. something everyone can have and a lot of people do actually want. Therefore supplies are likely to dry up as most people will likely be skipping most of the titanium heavy zones and demand is going to stay at least reasonable.

      With that in mind i have also been stockpiling other relevant materials while people are dumping them and they are dirt cheap. It may take a long time to actual dispose of these material but even if it does i should gain a significant return on them by the time i do run out of them.
    1. Ayo's Avatar
      Ayo -
      Thanks for your kind words and for all the effort you've put into making this site so awesome

      Anyway, funny you mention the frostguard plans. I found them on my ah just a few moments ago and researched their origin and value a bit before I bought them (68 gold.. figured it was worth a shot). There weren't any comments on wowhead but thotbot had a discussion where one poster said the rare that spawns them is on a 17-25 hour respawn timer. Is EPL changing a lot in the expansion?

      Here's a link to what was said about it...http://thottbot.com/i12836

      Also, with inflation, I'd guess that the motorcycles will probably do well with players who couldn't afford them before or didnt want to spend that much gold. I remember when lk launched, I was astounded by the expense of building one and, even though I'm an engineer, didn't even consider it or think I'd ever want to spend that much gold on a mount.

      Finally, on Khorium... that has actually been my best gold maker over the last few weeks due to the slow sale on my other items. Whenever I see it grossly undervalued, I snatch it up and was able to score 12 stacks month back for 100 gold each I think it was. I still have a bit left on that and trickle a bit out every day and usually sell about 600 gold a day of it with very little competition.

      I have a miner and it seems to me that titanium nodes are more plentiful than khorium, plus, there's no transmute to get it. But with the greater usefulness of Titanium, that sounds like and good bet on future sales.
    1. fade's Avatar
      fade -
      Just snagged the Frostguard plans for 58g. Eh worth a shot!
    1. Unregistered's Avatar
      Unregistered -
      Class quests are being revamped and I believe the epic quests from MC are disappearing, which would explain why you can't find them in Cataclysm. Be careful investing in the sinew, it's likely to disappear from your inventory in a few weeks.
    1. Env's Avatar
      Env -
      already did invest in those.

      on that topic, I'm investing in pretty much every chopper mats. Except the NPC mats, they will be way cheaper come cata, thanks to goblin racials.
    1. Sterling's Avatar
      Sterling -
      I really don't understand why some are investing in choppers. 85% of your cost investment will not yield any ROI (the vendor parts). Even if Titanium, Furs, Bolts etc triple in value, you're still looking at a measly 25% ROI. That's probably lower than Cataclysm inflation. If one feels confident about choppers because of the crafted parts, why not invest there instead?

      I should also add, is not an item that should be held (at least I don't see a reason for it yet). It's an item to flip, and it flips well.
    1. Thefluffyrocker's Avatar
      Thefluffyrocker -
      Personally it's not just about choppers, for me that is just one obvious example of why it's worth stockpiling titanium. Like most things, when you have a lot to sell it's useful to spread it over many different projects rather than simply limiting it to the most profitable, as often the most profitable is the slowest seller (but not always).
      When it comes to the time, how i actually dispose of it will depend one how much i have and how each market is in respect to its profitability, that is why i am investing in the most basic forms of the materials where possible so i have choice rather than being tied into selling the end product.
    1. drpachinko's Avatar
      drpachinko -
      I have been lurking for a while... decided to register just to post my particular opinion.

      I just wanted to point out one flaw in your plan in buying up all the titanium.

      The major difference between titanium and khorium is that no x-mute is available for khorium this is not the case for titanium.

      Note: this x-mute has no cool down, and can proc additional bars.

      So I would leave you with this.

      Buy titanium only if it is less then the vendor price of 8 saronite bars. (10g) Otherwise look into buying saronite ore, or vendorite bars. Keeping it in saronite ore gives you more opportunities.

      My recommendations:
      Least risk
      Accumulate saronite ore @ 0.625g or 0.6875 (with a 10% max loss factored in)

      Most risk
      Accumulate titanium bars @ 10g or less
    1. Xalted's Avatar
      Xalted -
      This definitely sheds new light on investing in Titanium for me, I think I will save several hundred for the long run...but I'm going to do it smart and buy them out a few days before Cataclysm. Without fail, all the casual players dump their Wotlk stock right before Cata because they believe it will all be worthless (and it will until a year or so into Cata).
    1. Zerohour's Avatar
      Zerohour -
      Ha! I'm only invested in choppers at the moment because I'm transferring servers. Otherwise I wouldn't have them ready made.

      But 25% ROI on 12,500 gold? Yes, please, thank you. Since I've dealt in mostly bigger ticket items for the past year now, I can tell you anything north of 20% profit is going to be your target. If you can make over that consider it a bonus. When buying mats, buy with that number in mind and you'll never go broke because everyone else is simply out to make big kills only and in this market you can absolutely crush them. This is for big ticket, not crap like gems and flasks.

      Of course you can bring up the whole "tying up gold" theory, but when you are sitting on over several hundred thousand and it's not working for you ... 20% looks damned good.
    1. Sterling's Avatar
      Sterling -
      Quote Originally Posted by drpachinko View Post
      I have been lurking for a while... decided to register just to post my particular opinion.

      I just wanted to point out one flaw in your plan in buying up all the titanium.

      The major difference between titanium and khorium is that no x-mute is available for khorium this is not the case for titanium.

      Note: this x-mute has no cool down, and can proc additional bars.

      So I would leave you with this.

      Buy titanium only if it is less then the vendor price of 8 saronite bars. (10g) Otherwise look into buying saronite ore, or vendorite bars. Keeping it in saronite ore gives you more opportunities.

      My recommendations:
      Least risk
      Accumulate saronite ore @ 0.625g or 0.6875 (with a 10% max loss factored in)

      Most risk
      Accumulate titanium bars @ 10g or less
      First, welcome to the site and thanks for registering. Good to see users voicing their opinion.

      The transmute is something I overlooked in my analysis. Regardless, I think most speculators underestimate how much Saronite prices will surge. I think 3g/ore is a reasonable estimate, given current prices of Fel Iron. Besides, if you're investing in Titanium, odds are you've also invested in Saronite. The demand for Titanium will simply spill over into Saronite, where you realize the remaining profit.

      Current Titanium prices have been good to me; 6-8g. As you pointed out, one should be careful when buying Titanium over 10g.
    1. Ahdude's Avatar
      Ahdude -
      One thing to keep in mind, people might be more willing to farm now that it rewards XPs. I know I was getting tired of tanking with DK and the LFD took too long as a DPS so I had my toon fly around WG and mine & herb. I basically went from 78 to 80 doing this. I did do the occassional LFD for the extra XPs award for the 1st run each day. So now I have many stacks of saronite and inks.

      BTW - How are you stockpiling the pets from ?
    1. calianna's Avatar
      calianna -
      You can buy the pets on the AH pretty cheap. The common ones are generally <5g each on my server. The whelp is significantly more.
    1. drpachinko's Avatar
      drpachinko -
      Quote Originally Posted by Sterling View Post
      First, welcome to the site and thanks for registering. Good to see users voicing their opinion.

      The transmute is something I overlooked in my analysis. Regardless, I think most speculators underestimate how much Saronite prices will surge. I think 3g/ore is a reasonable estimate, given current prices of Fel Iron. Besides, if you're investing in Titanium, odds are you've also invested in Saronite. The demand for Titanium will simply spill over into Saronite, where you realize the remaining profit.

      Current Titanium prices have been good to me; 6-8g. As you pointed out, one should be careful when buying Titanium over 10g.

      Perhaps the new easy money maker in cata +1 will be buying saronite bars for X and then transmuting them to Titanium and selling them for (X * ~10) Only time will tell.
    1. Thefluffyrocker's Avatar
      Thefluffyrocker -
      Even with the transmute factored in titanium is going to increase in value as the basic materials for the transmute will rise also. So buying at today's prices will likely return a good profit in the end.
      Buying at a reasonable price is just common sense and saying you should stockpile it doesn't mean you should buy it at any cost, as some people seem to think we are saying. What we're saying by suggesting you stockpile it is if you see it cheap, buy all you can now before the price rises significantly.

      The transmute will only really allow for more potential profit if you stockpile a reasonable amount as some will likely try making titanium through transmuting for the specific reason of selling or to level a few points in alchemy, find it doesn't sell exceptionally well and then sell it cheap just to get their investment (or at least some of it) back. Therefore if you have a decent stockpile it will give you a nice cushion to sit on while you wait for these cheap sales to keep up your stocks.
      Things like this happen in the current market when sales are reasonably healthy because a lot of people haven't got the patience for long term selling and get scared as soon as they don't get an immediate sale.

      Taking that into account stockpiling saronite is the safest bet as i touched upon before and as others have eluded to, as that allows you to be more flexible in how you you sell it on rather than being forced down a certain path.
    1. Zerohour's Avatar
      Zerohour -
      If you're a miner waiting in LFG/LFD, you will more than likely farm current content because getting to Northrend is going to be a PITA, unless you have the ring or are a mage. Not only that but the demand for these items isn't going to be on your mind. How many times have you flown all the way out to Netherstorm/Shadowmoon to farm Adamantite while waiting for LFD to pop? Answer: Never. My mage is a miner, and when I'm in LFG I head straight to Icecrown to collect Saro or to ZD to mine Cobalt while I wait.

      I am however anxiously awaiting all those people that are going to be leveling enchanting and will need their rods to continue.
    1. Atherstone's Avatar
      Atherstone -
      Long time reader - New member (just today) . . .

      I like the information that everyone has been sharing and I think this is a great website!

      Along the lines of investing in Titanium . . . Is there a way to compare the value of just farming Titanium yourself (if you happen to be a miner) versus watching prices on the AH and hoping to "cash in" on someone dumping their stock at a low price?

      On my main (Paladin, Mining/Blacksmithing) - I know I've spent several hours just flying or riding patterns around ore deposits just farming away. I don't know for certain how many hours, but at times I can get "lucky" and hit several Titanium deposits and at times I might only see one (or none). I know you need to put value on your time (especially in-game, since you ARE paying for it with real money), but since this is essentially harvesting the material at no cost. Would it be better to spend time farming or spend time searching the AH?

      Thank you -
    1. drockrock's Avatar
      drockrock -
      Given a big enough sample size (like the one on WoWhead), you should be able to calculate roughly what % of the nodes you'll hit will be Titanium. If it's 10% for example (that might be a bit high but just for this example), and you can farm 60 nodes in an hour (for sake of easy math), then you'll hit 6 titanium nodes/hour. 6 nodes an hour would give you 15 ore (average amount of ore/vein). If you're only looking for Titanium then that would be pretty bad.

      Of course your mileage may vary but that'd be the way to think about it to decide for yourself if it's worth more to you to farm it or buy it. That said, it's almost certainly a better use of your time to buy it on the AH while it's cheap and do other things with your time on WoW that you actually enjoy (unless you really enjoy mining )

      Also welcome to the community!
    1. Thefluffyrocker's Avatar
      Thefluffyrocker -
      Quote Originally Posted by drockrock View Post
      Given a big enough sample size (like the one on WoWhead), you should be able to calculate roughly what % of the nodes you'll hit will be Titanium. If it's 10% for example (that might be a bit high but just for this example), and you can farm 60 nodes in an hour (for sake of easy math), then you'll hit 6 titanium nodes/hour. 6 nodes an hour would give you 15 ore (average amount of ore/vein). If you're only looking for Titanium then that would be pretty bad.

      Of course your mileage may vary but that'd be the way to think about it to decide for yourself if it's worth more to you to farm it or buy it. That said, it's almost certainly a better use of your time to buy it on the AH while it's cheap and do other things with your time on WoW that you actually enjoy (unless you really enjoy mining )

      Also welcome to the community!
      You missed out the most important part of the calculation, which is the gold cost or gold per hour.

      Your baseline figure is based on how much gold you can make in an hour.
      Say for example you can make 300g an hour, you then have to gather materials worth more than 300g an hour for it to be worth doing or you could simply earn gold in another way, buy what you need and be left with some change.

      If you can farm 300g in an hour but can only farm 250g worth of materials, you've essentially lost 50g
      If you can farm 300g in an hour but can gather 350g worth of materials your farming the wrong stuff to make your gold

      This isn't always true as boredom has a price tag too. The ability to make 300g while basically afk can be more rewarding, or at least less boring than making 350g while paying a lot more attention to the game. Having said that though, by experience the afk options are usually more profitable than the ones where attention is more required.