Register
Welcome to the Stormspire.net WoW Gold Forums!

Greetings, guest! Welcome to Stormspire.net, your #1 resource for WoW and Diablo 3 Gold, Professions, and everything in between!


Enjoy what the site offers? Consider Premium Membership if you wish to get the most out of the site. Premium Membership benefits include the acclaimed Goblineer's World of Warcraft Gold Guide, private forum access, a complimentary high-quality avatar, and much more!


If this is your first visit, make sure to check out the Stormspire.net Survival Guide for a quick site orientation. You may also register to unlock all standard forum features, and to get rid of these lovely ads!


We proudly host the Official forums for TradeSkillMaster, The Undermine Journal, and WoWuction.

Page 1 of 2 12 Last
Results 1 to 10 of 13
  1. #1
    Entrepreneur
    Shadowcat's Avatar
    Posts
    8
    Reputation
    0
    Tagged in
    9 Posts
    Add to this user's reputation

    Unfair Glyph Competition

    I don't know what to do. Some guy on my low populated server is my competitor on glyph market. It was fine for few months - normal undecutting war etc. But 2 weeks ago he started to play unfair. Firstly he made his fallback on 100g (Glyphs on our realm are very overpriced but that was fine, because people would buy it so or so). We continued our war, but today he changed his fallback to 40g for every glyph (making cost is around 30g). Don't know if I should leave glyph market or continue the war or what? Please, give me some advices.
    Last edited by Shadowcat; January 3rd, 2013 at 01:50 PM.

  2. #2
    Entrepreneur
    neo6488's Avatar
    Posts
    187
    Reputation
    3
    Blog Entries
    2
    Tagged in
    78 Posts
    Add to this user's reputation
    What does the price of herbs cost? How much gold do you have? One option is to cut the price of glyphs as low as you can wile making 1c of profit and every glyph he posts will cost him gold. Then its a stamina race to see who will run out of interest first. Another option is to set the price of all your glyphs lower than his, then when he undercuts you buy all of his out. If you do this at the same time you buy out the ah of herbs it can put a squeeze on him.

    Thinking about it make an alt and send one type of glyph to this alt (10 of same glyph) and post them at like 25g each and see what happens. IF he undercuts drop to 20, etc. See how low he will go.

  3. #3
    US-Drenden(A)
    Wind Trader Emeritus
    Euripides's Avatar
    Posts
    71
    Reputation
    15
    Tagged in
    69 Posts
    Add to this user's reputation
    There is no fair in competition. Only can and can't.

    Either of you can stop the other one from making money. Do it for long enough to the right competitor, and the prevailing wisdom is that they'll give up. Of course they're thinking the same thing about you, so it boils down to a really long, stupid game of chicken. And if one of you ever wins, someone else will pop in.
    Call to Auction
    Wow Insider's Gold Capped and Insider Trader

  4. #4
    EU-Vek'Nilash
    Entrepreneur
    Riryoku's Avatar
    Posts
    53
    Reputation
    1
    Tagged in
    15 Posts
    Add to this user's reputation
    Wait a sec, you'd still be making 10G per glyph if you would sell at his price, what are you complaining about? It's a WALLMART he is using, and since there is no such thing as quality in a glyph you'll either have to follow the program or get out of the market (so he can raise prices again and knows how to get you off the market as a bonus)
    As Euripides said, there is no fair or unfair in WOW-AH-Competition, so change markets or adapt to the new prices.
    I just love these QQ-threads

  5. #5
    Entrepreneur
    deja's Avatar
    Posts
    81
    Reputation
    6
    Tagged in
    36 Posts
    Add to this user's reputation
    Find out what his real threshold is, and post just above it. Force him to sell as many glyphs as possible at prices so low that they are demoralizing and increasingly not worth the time and effort to make. I.e., he wants to be the glyph market owner. Let him, but make it so that market isn't worth owning. Be prepared to do this for as long as necessary, it could be months if the other scribe is stubborn.

    Control the herb market. Buy out anything that is reasonably priced.

    Check out the glyph market on the opposite faction of your server. If it's profitable and the volume of sales justifies it make him your supplier and resell them over there. (I would do this to apply pressure if the volume and prices are good enough to break even.)

    Find out what other markets he is in. Take away his profit there.


    @Riryoku - Given the OP just joined these forums fairly recently, I would assume they are not as experienced with these things as many on these forums are, and are probably looking for advice rather than actually complaining. Please check your abrasiveness and assumptions at the door of the WoW forum, I don't think we need that here where members tend to behave and post like the adults they are supposed to be.

  6. #6
    Entrepreneur
    cracklingice's Avatar
    Posts
    815
    Reputation
    18
    Tagged in
    171 Posts
    Add to this user's reputation
    My suggestion for dealing with this prick if he is like the guy on my server just trying to cap prices and doesn't actually repost. If there isn't much other competition is to just sell around him. I set my crafting to not craft if the glyph is worth less than their cap. They sell, I come in to fill the gap and possibly sell at my price.

    To be honest tho, they haven't stopped being a douche yet so I may just lower my fallback to below their threshold, but I really hate to stoop to their level of child like "I don't wanna share" behavior.

  7. #7
    Entrepreneur
    Shadowcat's Avatar
    Posts
    8
    Reputation
    0
    Tagged in
    9 Posts
    Add to this user's reputation
    I just talked to him, he said that he is a wealthy man (true, one of the goblin on my server) who likes to give people happiness - He can do it even for free and he likes to act like a charitable foundation. I continued to undercut him, maybe he will give up one day.

  8. #8
    EU-Vek'Nilash
    Entrepreneur
    Riryoku's Avatar
    Posts
    53
    Reputation
    1
    Tagged in
    15 Posts
    Add to this user's reputation
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowcat View Post
    Maybe he will give up one day.
    That would be the day the player behind the character dies, this is a rich guy who likes to /flex and stay on top of the heap by not allowing anyone a high income.
    If I were you I would dig into the alt army (you DO have an alt army right? ... RIGHT??? ... ) and look for other sources of income for a while.
    You should also remember that many small amounts of gold, tend to pile up until you reach millionaire status (and at that time, you'll be rich enough to give the entire server things at cost ... causing someone else, who is new at this game, to head for these forums and complain about you :-D )

  9. #9
    US-Emerald Dream(Both)
    Your Favorite Goblin
    Kathroman's Avatar
    Posts
    5,144
    Reputation
    272
    Blog Entries
    17
    Tagged in
    2012 Posts
    Add to this user's reputation
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowcat View Post
    I don't know what to do. Some guy on my low populated server is my competitor on glyph market. It was fine for few months - normal undecutting war etc. But 2 weeks ago he started to play unfair. Firstly he made his fallback on 100g (Glyphs on our realm are very overpriced but that was fine, because people would buy it so or so). We continued our war, but today he changed his fallback to 40g for every glyph (making cost is around 30g). Don't know if I should leave glyph market or continue the war or what? Please, give me some advices.
    The only "unfair" is if he's botting.

    In this case, here's what you need to do:

    Step 1 - figure out how low he's willing to go. Undercut him in either 5g or 10g increments and see what his absolute threshold is. Try not to do this with your ENTIRE inventory, since you obviously don't want to make too many sales while you test these waters, but he's definitely going to have an addon like TSM that is probably handling the pricing on all his glyphs, so just choose a few to see how he handles it.

    Step 2 - Decision time. Depending on what you find out from Step 1, you can either get him to start dropping glyphs down to his threshold and buy him out (recommended, for a number of reasons that may or may not be worth getting into at this point). If you're unable to do that, next best thing would be to wait him out at your regular threshold. Don't leave the market entirely - this only confirms for him that you're a pushover and subject to being pushed out down the road. Just keep posting your glyphs at higher prices and over time, he'll likely start second-guessing himself and his own strategies.
    Like what you see? Become an Ethereal Contributor to help support the site and gain access to additional perks.

        

    Guides: Thunder Bluff Vendor Supply Route | Entry Level JC Strategy | Alternative DMF Guide

    TSM 2.0: TSM 2.0 Groups & Operations GUIDE | TSM 2.0 Basic JC Shuffler | TSM 2.0 ADVANCED JC Shuffler

  10. #10
    Entrepreneur
    ZikO's Avatar
    Posts
    44
    Reputation
    0
    Tagged in
    14 Posts
    Add to this user's reputation
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowcat View Post
    I don't know what to do. Some guy on my low populated server is my competitor on glyph market. It was fine for few months - normal undecutting war etc. But 2 weeks ago he started to play unfair. Firstly he made his fallback on 100g (Glyphs on our realm are very overpriced but that was fine, because people would buy it so or so). We continued our war, but today he changed his fallback to 40g for every glyph (making cost is around 30g). Don't know if I should leave glyph market or continue the war or what? Please, give me some advices.
    I had the same situations. When i was selling glyphs, their cost was like 500g each. I could see a number of sellers have been increased over time. People undercut me like crazy from 500g to 250g, 100g, 74g, 34g, 17g etc. Now those glyphs can be for 4g each. I did exactly what someone has suggested here; undercut to minimum when I could and buy all glyphs. Because there are plenty of sellers now who sell glyphs for 4g, I cannot do anything.

    My advice is either accept new profit with continuous undercutting each other or simply change market. You don't really need to have a profession to earn golds. You need to know market and use golds you saved. Buy cheap and sell expensive always works.

 

 
Page 1 of 2 12 Last

Similar Threads

  1. Posting confusion: Glyph and non-glyph restock
    By vidiviciveni in forum General TradeSkillMaster Discussion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: July 9th, 2011, 04:00 PM