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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    The more I think about the changes to glyphs, the more I wonder whether there will be any market at all for them in MoP. Since as I understand it everything useful for actual game play is being eliminated from glyphs, we're left with a bunch of flavor glyphs that could be seen by buyers on other than RP servers as "useless crap." How many people bother with filling all 3 minor glyph sockets now, if there aren't 3 useful glyphs for them? Is there really going to be a rush for "useless crap?" Or a willingness to pay serious money for it? It was always nice to take the Elitist Jerks lists of what glyphs you need and know there would be a demand there; I rather expect them to say "pick whichever glyphs amuse you or none, it makes no difference." I'm not saying that this is a prediction, but it seems to me to at least be a possibility. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proudmoore View Post
    For reference, from my accounting:
    Midnight - 11.3%
    Lion - 11.9%
    Jadefire - 8.9%
    Celestial - 4.4%
    Shimmering - 4.5%
    Ethereal - 17%
    Sea - 41.8%
    Blackfallow - 0.6%

    From 6,500 glyphs sold.
    From one of Twitchie's posts with 30K sales:

    Celestial - 5%
    Ethereal - 23%
    Ink of the Sea - 35%
    Jadefire - 10%
    Lion's - 12%
    Midnight - 11%
    Shimmering - 4%

    A bit of variation between Ethereal and Ink of the Sea, but dead on for the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z-Man View Post
    From one of Twitchie's posts with 30K sales:

    Celestial - 5%
    Ethereal - 23%
    Ink of the Sea - 35%
    Jadefire - 10%
    Lion's - 12%
    Midnight - 11%
    Shimmering - 4%

    A bit of variation between Ethereal and Ink of the Sea, but dead on for the others.
    Interesting to see how close those numbers are to my own estimation: http://stormspire.net/general-discus...html#post64804, which was based entirely on current ink distribution levels and then rounding up or down a bit to make things nice and pretty.

    Based on that, the MoP ink distribution list would seem to be as good a place as any to quickly identify useful ratios. Link should still be in the OP, folks.
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    Very Interesting. I have a smaller sample size (only 3k glyphs since I started recording) but it breaks down almost the same. These numbers match almost exactly to Meyer's chart. Distribution for Trading I think it is safe to say these are fairly reliable numbers.

    Blackfallow Ink - 0.59%
    Celestial Ink - 6.31%
    Ethereal Ink- 19.66%
    Ink of the Sea - 35.95%
    Jadefire Ink - 8.8%
    Lion's Ink - 11.68%
    Midnight Ink - 11.32%
    Shimmering Ink - 5.69%

    Also, Kathroman, you link to wowhead's Faded Glyphs for MoP doesn't seem to list them properly. There are only two as of today - the DK ones were put back in game as different glyphs.
    Frostbolt
    Shadowburn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priestess View Post
    Very Interesting. I have a smaller sample size (only 3k glyphs since I started recording) but it breaks down almost the same. These numbers match almost exactly to Meyer's chart. Distribution for Trading I think it is safe to say these are fairly reliable numbers.

    Blackfallow Ink - 0.59%
    Celestial Ink - 6.31%
    Ethereal Ink- 19.66%
    Ink of the Sea - 35.95%
    Jadefire Ink - 8.8%
    Lion's Ink - 11.68%
    Midnight Ink - 11.32%
    Shimmering Ink - 5.69%

    Also, Kathroman, you link to wowhead's Faded Glyphs for MoP doesn't seem to list them properly. There are only two as of today - the DK ones were put back in game as different glyphs.
    Frostbolt
    Shadowburn
    As far as I can tell, that's accurate. Faded glyphs are subject to change, much the same as everything else in the Beta. Blizzard obviously reworked some of the glyphs and found some use for those DK ones, I imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z-Man View Post
    From one of Twitchie's posts with 30K sales:

    Celestial - 5%
    Ethereal - 23%
    Ink of the Sea - 35%
    Jadefire - 10%
    Lion's - 12%
    Midnight - 11%
    Shimmering - 4%

    A bit of variation between Ethereal and Ink of the Sea, but dead on for the others.
    Thanks grabbing that breakdown, @Z-Man . If anyone is interested in the full set of data, you're more than welcome to check out my ultimate glyph performance list with data from the last 16 months. Your post has inspired me to add in recipe information to my database, and then I'll be able to follow up with what the ratio actually looks like after MoP has been out for a couple of months.

    I've always felt like Ethereal Ink is a big seller, but that's just probably left over from being caught out in patch 4.0.1 where I had a bazillion ink of the sea and very little other ink. I was surprised at how much jadefire I'd used for those sales but everything is pretty much as expected. Even though my sales have Ink of the Sea at 35%, you can never have too much of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    The more I think about the changes to glyphs, the more I wonder whether there will be any market at all for them in MoP. Since as I understand it everything useful for actual game play is being eliminated from glyphs, we're left with a bunch of flavor glyphs that could be seen by buyers on other than RP servers as "useless crap." How many people bother with filling all 3 minor glyph sockets now, if there aren't 3 useful glyphs for them? Is there really going to be a rush for "useless crap?" Or a willingness to pay serious money for it? It was always nice to take the Elitist Jerks lists of what glyphs you need and know there would be a demand there; I rather expect them to say "pick whichever glyphs amuse you or none, it makes no difference." I'm not saying that this is a prediction, but it seems to me to at least be a possibility. Thoughts?
    Rather than take the approach of weeding out "crappy" glyphs, consider how far ahead you are happy with stockpiling. For me, I've already allocated at least 1 bag / bank slot for each unique glyph, so I don't care if I sell less than 20 of any glyph throughout an entire expansion. When I look at my glyph sales over time, there's only 14 glyphs that have sold less than 20 over 16 months, so I don't consider that worth changing my glyph set up for.

    If you look at the 14 that didn't sell, it isn't really that none were sold, so much as that there was soooo much oversupply (due to them being in the bottleneck of trainer glyphs) that the price rarely rose above my threshold. It's also not because they are "crappy" glyphs (well some are) but again because of oversupply.

    As for if there are actually crappy glyphs? I haven't seen any really. My wife plays a druid and constantly has wanted some actual choice in minor glyphs. Faster swimming? That's a crappy glyph! She is going to have some awesome (but non power related) choices to make in the expansion, which in my opinion will create demand.

    Wow players are quite often completionists. I've noticed many times over that when someone buys a "full" set of class glyphs that they buy them all. They have bought prime glyphs that are not recommended for any of their specs, even situationally. They just bought an actual crappy glyph because they didn't already know it and wanted all their glyphs known. So I think there always has been and always will be demand for "crappy" glyphs.

    I wouldn't be surprised as more people find out which glyphs convert to which other glyphs in the expansion that they fill out their characters glyphs right now (before the predicted damand and price surge come 5.0.1). To use my wife's druid as an example, she currently doesn't know any balance or tanking glyphs. However, she might (I'm being told that I've chosen the *worst* example, and the won't EVER use the Glyph of Chameleon) want to learn Glyph of Challenging Roar now, on the assumption that she will then automatically know Glyph of Chameleon.

    I do a reasonable amount of min/maxing for raiding. I regularly change spec depending on which (progression) boss I'm tanking, I used epic gems as soon as they were available. That doesn't stop me from thinking that Glyph of the Blazing Trail is the coolest thing ever. I'm going to charge, and set the $#@%ing ground on FIRE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchietgw View Post
    As for if there are actually crappy glyphs? I haven't seen any really. My wife plays a druid and constantly has wanted some actual choice in minor glyphs. Faster swimming? That's a crappy glyph! She is going to have some awesome (but non power related) choices to make in the expansion, which in my opinion will create demand.
    As a druid who PvPs, I would just like to point out that faster swimming is actually pretty awesome in any BG with water. Twin Peaks is actually an awesome BG for feral FCs. Insta-cast extra speed in the tunnel, then sprint down the side with the snare-breaker speed boosts...very fun.
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    Anyone have pointers on the fastest way to exchange inks? I need to start trading some of my 25kish blackfallow ink for the other types and would like to do it as efficiently as possible. How do other people do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathroman View Post
    As a druid who PvPs, I would just like to point out that faster swimming is actually pretty awesome in any BG with water. Twin Peaks is actually an awesome BG for feral FCs. Insta-cast extra speed in the tunnel, then sprint down the side with the snare-breaker speed boosts...very fun.
    Thanks @Kathroman for illustrating that point so well. Anytime you think you know a glyph is crappy, there's probably somone who finds a great use for it.
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