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    Maelstrom Crystals in 4.1... specific discussion

    There had been a decent bit of discussion on Maelstrom Crystals in the 4.1 speculation thread, but it got a bit buried in the 10 pages.

    So I wanted to start a new thread for this topic specifically. It is and will be a pretty hot topic, considering the price they command and the enchants that use them (along with the enchanting-crafted "pets").

    So, it appears, unless changed before 4.1 launch, that Maelstrom Crystals can be purchased using Valor Points... a hefty 3750 valor points per crystal.

    If this holds up and survives to launch, I don't see this "purchasable" option having much impact at all on the crystal prices. Who will want to blow 3750 valor points on a single crystal, when that same number of points could be used to get 2 BOE valor boots, netting 6-8k per pair of boots (12-16k total)?

    So, it would now again seem that the epics that drop in ZG & ZA will be the only real major new source of crystals in the market. 359 epics from raiding will continue to get disenchanted, however many guilds continue to hold them in their guild bank for guild enchants vs. selling them on the open market. Some will resort to selling off excess stock of them, but not to the extent that it will cause a large decrease in prices.

    I'm still of the mentality that despite epics dropping from ZG & ZA, there will not be a huge flood of crystals on the open market. We will begin to see supply increase slowly the longer 4.1 is out, but there will be a good sized population of players that will equip those 353 epics, replacing 346 blues. Many players have stopped running heroics on their main raiding toons, because they don't need the valor points or gear. Some will go back to doing ZG & ZA heroics, but not all. A good portion of the players doing those two heroics will be players trying to gear up their alts instead, resulting in less of those epics getting dusted.

    Again, I'm not saying that there won't be an increase in crystal supplies in the market come 4.1. There definitely will be. But to the extent that crystal prices plummet heavily is what I don't think will happen, not initially anyway. Prices will decrease, most definitely and hopefully come down to a bit more affordable price. But they won't go from 1600-1800 down to sub-500. I see them hovering around the 900-1000 mark for a decent bit yet, at least until 4.2 comes out.


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    Can you confirm that it is valor points? Kaliope is reporting it as Honor or Justice points.
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    Alto's Goldish Advice blog is reporting that... he said it was just released on the PTR.

    It does kind of make sense to me though, since you get a crystal from DE'ing an epic item, and outside of raids currently, epics are only obtainable using valor points.


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    It wouldn't make sense because if I wanted a maelstrom crystal I could just buy the boots or any other piece(if I was an enchanter) and d/e them. Obviously selling them would make more sense but the point is adding them to the valor vendor does not make them accessible at all if the price is higher then a BOE epic.
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    I don't know, just reporting what Alto said... then again, he could have mis-reported it.


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    Don't forget though... Blizzard has stated that making items like this available for purchase using justice points (or possibly valor points now) was NOT meant to be a cost-effective way of obtaining them.


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    Oh no doubt its not meant to be cost effective, but I would figure thats relative to going out and farming mats. Just was wondering because you would have to be an idiot (although there are a bunch of those in wow) to buy the maelstrom crystal over the boots.

    Funny thing is if it does come from Valor points I expect to see a little less competition in the valor boots market
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    Heh, that's true. And yea, there are alot of idiots in WoW, sadly. But, if there weren't any, we'd lose a big chunk of our gold-making possibilities due to people not posting rare items really cheap


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    I think that I've read something about the price being 3x50JP/Honor

    On my Server the prices already went from 1,6k to ~1000 (but are at the old levels again now because of a low number of auctions being up atm)

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    Okay, so let's say Alto is wrong and it's actually 3750 Justice Points. Again, I don't see this flooding the market. Even if you are capped at JP when 4.1 releases, you can get 1 crystal. Prices drop on crystals to sub-1000g each. Are players really gonna bother farming heroics just to get another 3750 JP and buy 1 crystal? Yea, some probably will, but there much better ways to make 800-1000g than farming a bunch of heroics to hit JP cap again.

    Yes, this would add more crystals to the market vs. a 3750 Valor Points cost, but still not a huge influx. It will still present limitations, which is good in my opinion. I huge influx would crash the market. Yes, it makes them more affordable to everyone (maybe too affordable/cheap), but I don't see a mass influx of anything in any market being a good thing. Look at the real world... a mass influx of say oil could cause a dramatic decrease in gas prices. Lots of people will rejoice, but it can have catastrophic impacts on other areas, including bad economic impacts.

    That is a bit of an extreme, I realize. I think what I'm trying to say, I guess, is that Blizzard will likely try to control that market to an extent, to prevent such a drastic price change. They have said they try hard not to negatively impact anything in the WoW economy if they can help it. This is why I could see a crystal costing 3750 Valor Points. It could make nearly as much sense to make them cost 3750 Justice Points as well, though. Either way, it could work.


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