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    Lightbulb 4.2 Speculation - Thoughts and Ideas

    I've noticed the 4.1 Speculation thread, but I thought it would be best to give 4.2 it's own thread.

    Please feel free to post and discuss ideas in here, to get things started here are my current thoughts:

    • [Leatherworking] Stockpile for possible new patterns to co-incide with the new Season of Arena Gear
    • [Blacksmithing] As with Leatherworking, stockpile (or the component parts) and / (with the slim* potential for epic gems or a fallback of Buckles if this isn't enough to gamble on)


    I will try to update this post with ideas as they develop and depending on how they are received.

    * Speculation is rife about the Epic Gems and a lot of the very credible contributors on these forums have their suspicions that Pyrite will be true to it's name!
    Last edited by Thelegend; March 8th, 2011 at 06:29 PM. Reason: Typos and additional info

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    See, I have an interesting point to raise on this one.

    Firelands - the new 4.2 raid - ok, this i get. But if you look at MMO-C's datamined maps, it looks more like an entirely new zone (or at the least, a subzone)... This starts ringing alarm bells with me because:

    *They're introducing a new tier of PvP gear at the same time.
    *They said they'd be adding a new tier of craftables to go with the above.
    *Said craftables could well need new mats to craft (look at the progression in tbc/wotlk for crafteds that dropped from raids)

    If they're adding a new zone, why wouldnt they add in a new ore type at the same time? Which would:

    a) do an end run around all of us stockpiling pyrite (and also help keep belt buckles under 1kg/ea - I mean, if pyrite ore = 4 epic gems at 200g/ea per stack, why would you sell two stacks for any less than 1.6k? which'd push the price of bars and hence buckles up)
    b) Allows the new blacksmith plans to not interfere too much with the existing economy (rarematerium ore sells for 400g/sta, so the new pvp gear is ~2k/piece, just like the 339 was at the start) - the 339 gear will be the "cheap" option (read: 300-600g/piece when they're trading at 500-1k atm), and the new gear (346? 353? 359?) will be the "fast" option for getting your alt/new player up to speed.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm still stockpiling cheap pyrite... but I think the possibility of a new ore is far higher than it was previously...

    Finally, totally-off-the-wall idea that came to me whilst I was writing this: Epic gems in 4.2 via a new node type not a new ore - "Flame-Enriched Pyrite" - basically, a rich pyrite deposit with a reasonable (10%?) drop chance on epics as well as the pyrite ore. And thats it. No prospecting at all, its drops or nothing. Don't ya wish you'd rolled your own miner now :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetza View Post
    See, I have an interesting point to raise on this one.

    Firelands - the new 4.2 raid - ok, this i get. But if you look at MMO-C's datamined maps, it looks more like an entirely new zone (or at the least, a subzone)... This starts ringing alarm bells with me because:

    *They're introducing a new tier of PvP gear at the same time.
    *They said they'd be adding a new tier of craftables to go with the above.
    *Said craftables could well need new mats to craft (look at the progression in tbc/wotlk for crafteds that dropped from raids)

    If they're adding a new zone, why wouldnt they add in a new ore type at the same time? Which would:

    a) do an end run around all of us stockpiling pyrite (and also help keep belt buckles under 1kg/ea - I mean, if pyrite ore = 4 epic gems at 200g/ea per stack, why would you sell two stacks for any less than 1.6k? which'd push the price of bars and hence buckles up)
    b) Allows the new blacksmith plans to not interfere too much with the existing economy (rarematerium ore sells for 400g/sta, so the new pvp gear is ~2k/piece, just like the 339 was at the start) - the 339 gear will be the "cheap" option (read: 300-600g/piece when they're trading at 500-1k atm), and the new gear (346? 353? 359?) will be the "fast" option for getting your alt/new player up to speed.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm still stockpiling cheap pyrite... but I think the possibility of a new ore is far higher than it was previously...

    Finally, totally-off-the-wall idea that came to me whilst I was writing this: Epic gems in 4.2 via a new node type not a new ore - "Flame-Enriched Pyrite" - basically, a rich pyrite deposit with a reasonable (10%?) drop chance on epics as well as the pyrite ore. And thats it. No prospecting at all, its drops or nothing. Don't ya wish you'd rolled your own miner now :P
    Shit thats actually a pretty solid concern, though form what i've read it would be unprecedented.

    Also give me an hour's notice and i can have a miner ready lol

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    Some fair points Quetza, however, the new PvP gear is going to be available over all crafting professions so there would need to be equivalents in those fields too. I think the riskiest part of the my idea would obviously be the recipes being bought using the new Raid drop commodity, but in reality, why would they make what is designed as an Entry level PvP set available only using drops from a Raid?

    It's probably also worth considering that the new mats could be the Cataclysm equivalent of !

    On a side note: I also remember the good old Mt Hyjal nodes that were the only source of Epic gems for a while back in TBC. They could potential reintroduce that concept, but it does seem pretty far off given the direction things have since taken.
    Last edited by Thelegend; March 8th, 2011 at 06:25 PM.

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    I think unprecedented is something to consider. Epic gems have been already been done in two very different ways.

    The idea that epic gems would come from pyrite ore is a lot like the story about the Chevy Nova not selling in Spanish speaking countries (http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp). It gets repeated over and over until people start to think it's true. It also reminds me of the old game "telephone" where one person starts a message and you keep whispering around and see if it's recognizable when it comes back around.

    I honestly don't think we will see epic gems in patch 4.2. When/If we do see them, I don't believe they will be prospected from pyrite ore.

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    My theory (transcribed from 4.1): Chaos Orbs go BOE

    I don't think we'll see a new Primal Might-esque item because I feel it would have shown up in Wrath. The fact that Blizzard did not add a new Lotus for flasks/Alchemy hints at this.

    PUG raids will become more prevalent, crashing the Maelstrom and BOE epic markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelegend View Post
    Some fair points Quetza, however, the new PvP gear is going to be available over all crafting professions so there would need to be equivalents in those fields too. I think the riskiest part of the my idea would obviously be the recipes being bought using the new Raid drop commodity, but in reality, why would they make what is designed as an Entry level PvP set available only using drops from a Raid?
    Ahh, but thats simple - firelands = new mobs = new "rare" leather type (Flamebaked hide?) so thats Mail/Leather, Plate we've already covered, and as to tailoring - the PvP gear doesn't currently require dreamcloth, and once your server's market price for epics has crashed, the only thing worth spending it on is the bags/threads... I can see more uses for dreamcloth being added as they add new recipies.

    @Mugsley - yea, this is why I'm not using the orbs on my main (Tailor/Ench) - if they go boe, even with the price drop I'll make seriously more from them on my BS than one or two extra dreamcloth's would make me.

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    I'm 99% sure we won't see a new type of leather. The new tier of PvP armor will probably require the same mats as the current tier. What happens when the next tier of gear comes out? Another new leather is introduced?

    Blizzard has been very careful (more-so than ever) not to mess with the economy in this expansion. Making titanium prospectable was a huge and I doubt they will repeat that. This time around, pyrite holds some value because it already prospects gems. Making it prospect epic gems wouldn't be such a big step up. At least not from a design point of view - this is probably the logic blizzard used if they plan on making pyrite drop epic gems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterling View Post
    Blizzard has been very careful (more-so than ever) not to mess with the economy in this expansion. Making titanium prospectable was a huge and I doubt they will repeat that. This time around, pyrite holds some value because it already prospects gems. Making it prospect epic gems wouldn't be such a big step up. At least not from a design point of view - this is probably the logic blizzard used if they plan on making pyrite drop epic gems.
    Ahh but the problem is, pyrite either way is screwed because of us and people like us. Blizz are fully aware that on most servers there are people with 40 or more stack stockpiles of pyrite... They are stuck now because:

    4.1/2 no epics from pyrite -> Mass dumping of pyrite stocks, price on pyrite, all blacksmith goods and truegold + all boe's tanks massivly. Expect Truegold for 1/3rd current prices, belt buckles down to <50g/ea...

    4.1/2 epics from pyrite -> Pyrite price rockets, massive amounts of profit are made... most craftables become too expensive to craft...

    Either way its gonna have a *huge* impact on the economy.

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    This might seem a bit silly, as I doubt it would turn a great deal of profit - but with the changes to Zul'Aman (especially the removal of a lot of trash), are still attainable? Can anyone on the PTR confirm?

    I've picked up the loose ones on my market and I'm stockpiling some from my ZA runs, but I feel it's a bit of a long shot.

 

 

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