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    Math Help! Elementium Shuffle

    So I need some smart people to help me out, I'm wondering if there is a documented method of calculating personal cost of hypnotic dust given a certain price per ore?

    So specifically if I buy Elementium at 36g always, what is the price for my hypnotic dust/Greater Celestial Essence if I do the shuffle. I don't need exact figures as Prospecting RNG wildly but what would be the ballpark number.

    The point is so that if I'm enchanting using only my own supply of dusts/essences I can set my own bottom prices.
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    The out-of-pocket cost of the dust and essences is largely dependent what you're getting from the other leftover materials from the shuffle: vendored Zephyrites, rare rings, rare gems, and Volatile Earths.

    A 100 stacks of Elementium will cost you 3908g after buying the jewelry settings. My shuffle spreadsheet shows a return of 7912g from these other items (your server may vary, as always). The 285 dust and 78 essences left over thus have a negative cost. The numbers start to fall apart when dealing with large amounts of cheap ore - in many cases there is no bottom price, which is why players can get away with selling 4g scrolls on the AH.
    Last edited by Z-Man; March 23rd, 2011 at 03:28 PM. Reason: numbers fixed for correct ore

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    This interested me, so I sat down and did a little napkin math(my napkin being Excel, heh.)

    Let's say you buy 400 stacks of Elementium at 36g each, that's 14.4k. With ~4.5 uncommons per prospect, that would be 1800 gems(going to assume 300 of each for averages.)

    300 of each is enough to make the following:
    100 Carnelian Spikes -> .98 dust and 5.4 lessers each -> 98 dust and 540 lessers
    300 Jasper Rings -> 1.44 dust and .56 lessers each -> 432 dust and 168 lessers
    150 Alicite Pendant -> 1.44 dust and .56 lessers each -> 216 dust and 84 lessers
    150 Nightstone Choker -> 1.8 dust and .7 lessers each -> 270 dust and 105 lessers
    150 Hessonite Band -> 1.8 dust and .7 lessers each -> 270 dust and 105 lessers
    Total: 1286 dust and 1002 lesser celestial essence.

    To make all these you will use 1050 Settings for 1575 gold, bringing spending up to 15,975g. Subtract 2700 from cutting/vendoring the 300 Zephyrite and you have 13,275g.

    From there, it becomes a ratio where the price you set for dust influences essence and the other way around. For example, if you set dust at 2.5g you're getting 3215g from dust altogether. This leaves 10,060 to be made up by essences, or ~10g per lesser.

    I'll add the disclaimer that I just sat down and started throwing numbers together, so I could have made a mistake or overlooked something anywhere in here. This also disregards rares entirely so they can be seen as pure profit.
    (Edit: Realized I also completely ignored the proc chance on blue jewelry. YMMV but I can always sell them for more than I would get from DE'ing a green one so this assumes you can sell the blue procs for at least enough to buy what you would have DE'ed from a green.)

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    Numbers look close - for 400 stacks, sharding the blue rings and ignoring the 384 blue gems, I get:

    1141 dust
    935 lesser essence
    134 small heavenly shards

    After this, it's just a matter figuring out how many dust each essence is worth. If 2:1, then we have 1639 essence equivalents for our 15,632g. This prices essence and shards at 9g53 and dust at 4g76s.

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    Basically, the market price for dusts and essences will always be above your cost to produce them. So if you set your threshold at current mats price of a given enchant, you will never lose money even at the floor. And if someone is undercutting you below that, you buy them out or stop posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugsley View Post
    Basically, the market price for dusts and essences will always be above your cost to produce them. So if you set your threshold at current mats price of a given enchant, you will never lose money even at the floor. And if someone is undercutting you below that, you buy them out or stop posting.
    Good idea, along a similar vein is there a crafting mod someone is aware of where you can set custom prices for materials, so far Gnomeworks and lil' sparky's only parses Auction prices.
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    TSM allows for setting manual prices on crafting materials. ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by vigilpriest View Post
    Good idea, along a similar vein is there a crafting mod someone is aware of where you can set custom prices for materials, so far Gnomeworks and lil' sparky's only parses Auction prices.
    You can choose if you want many different auctioneer prices, or auctionator prices, and you can also set your own prices. In the list of items, click the profit column, or the cost / value column, and you will get many options.
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    Is alicite worth the 2 gems to make into jewelery or do you normally just cut/vendor along with the zephs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwights View Post
    Is alicite worth the 2 gems to make into jewelery or do you normally just cut/vendor along with the zephs?
    2 alicites + the setting is about 19g roughly if you would cut and vendor...
    I tend to sell most of my alicites uncut on the ah with a a minimum price of about 11-12g, if my stock gets to big i just cut and vendor.
    It depends on how much dusts sell for on your realm offcourse, but with an avg price of 6g per dust its not worth my time to make them into jewelry.
    I usually only craft hessonite/carnelian items unless i'm running low on inferno rubies then i transmute my carnelian.
    Hessonite/carnelian gives me enough mats to keep a decent stock of scrolls.

    So unless you tend to run out of mats to make scrolls with hessonite/carnelian i'd try to sell the uncut alicites trough the ah or just cut and vendor.
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