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    Question LF alt profession change advice

    I am in the process of starting a gnome rogue (4th attempt is the charm, I hope; none of my first three rogues made it past lv11), and was hoping fellow Consortium members can help me out on which professions to go with.

    Originally I was planning to go with LW/engineering combo, but then I realized that I already have a max level skinner (my lv85 druid is a skinner/miner) that's gathering dust, so now I have two choices:

    rogue - keep engineering and pick up mining
    druid - drop mining and pick up LW

    or go w/ the original plan and keep the druid as the full-time farming toon with two gathering professions.

    Dropping/re-level mining isn't a big deal, since I have access to another max-level miner for smelting. I do plan to partially farm some of the mats for leveling LW instead of buy off the AH and power-level. However, I would lose the druid as a dual-gathering toon, even though I only occasionally farm these days.

    So what do you guys think? Any particular pros/cons that I am not aware of?

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    My opinion would depend on how quickly you plan to level the rogue. For gold-making purposed, having another crafting profession maxed is always a good thing. If you planned on taking your time, it could be beneficial to go ahead and put LW on the druid. However, you can't overlook the powerful combination of combining gathering professions on one toon.

    I would almost be tempted to switch them completely and level the rogue as skinning/mining while leveling the crafting professions on the druid.

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    Two questions.
    1) Are you looking specifically at gold making or is it simply something you would like?
    Optimally for gold making i would say put the crafting proffs on your druid then have dual gathering while leveling. Farming while you level up is more efficient than farming for the sake of it and if you powerlevel the crafting proffs it gives you instant access to those markets.

    If it's simply something you like.e.g. you want an engineer...

    2) Do you specifically want the engineer on your rogue or just an engineer in general?

    If your planning to farm some of the mats for LW anyway you could dump skinning on your druid and give it engineering then level your rogue as a LW/skinner so you can naturally farm most of the mats as you level.

    As ExtremeEagle mentioned having dual gathering on one alt can be good if you actually farm but considering you farm very little these days and skinning isn't really optimal as a druid combo anyway as you need to kill things before skinning them which defeats the point of flightform gathering (really you want mining/herb) then i wouldn't really be concerned about breaking that mould.
    If you do actually farm some on your druid still then you also get to use which would sort of add a second gathering profession to your farmer.

    Another bonus would also be you will tend to naturally make some nice leveling gear for yourself as you level up your LW and your alt. You may need to actually buy some mats to boost certain parts but at least you might get some use out of the items you make rather than simply deing or vendoring them off.
    When leveling i actually gain a lot of pleasure from using the things i make while leveling professions rather than simply looking at the gold making potential which kind of spoils some of the excitement of the leveling experience for me.
    Last edited by Thefluffyrocker; March 11th, 2011 at 02:52 PM.

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    Rogues and druids are the best gatherers. Druids can gather in flight form, Rogues are better at manuevering around and dropping aggro, which is highly valuable when farming a crowded zone. Given that Rogues can expect to move at 140% ground speed while stealthed, if they're specc'd into Quickening and Nightstalker in 4.1, I would recommend that you make your rogue a gatherer. Also, I don't think Druids can mine nodes without dropping out of form, so that makes rogues the best miners, imo.

    Unless this toon will be a main, or a favorite alt that you want to run heroics with (in which case, a crafting profession would be ideal, so you could roll on orbs), you will make more gold as a gatherer, and will definitely make more as you level. Keeping that in mind, if you're on the fence, just level gathering and make the most gold for now. You can always powerlevel another profession later.
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    Generally when I start a new char, I choose double gathering skills, and just powerlvl the profs I want when I hit top level, or incase of crafting alts, lvl75. Leveling leatherworking without a skinner sucks, so in your case, I would lvl skinning and leatherworking on your rogue while leveling. You can choose what to do with your druid later. I wouldn't bother with skinning on the druid when you will kill creatures in the correct zones with your rogue anyways.

    Like Fluffy said, skinning on a druid isn't optimal anyways, since you need to exit flightform to kill.

    It kinda depends on what you want engineering for. For fun on the char you want to play alot, or for crafting only on an alt? Also, keep in mind that you need orbs for some of the crafts, and that inturn requires you to run heroics.

    PS. I currently have a rogue myself @ lvl72, I took up(lol) tailoring and blacksmithing on him, since those are the only two professions I dont have already. If I will ever get him to 85 to do heroics is questionable though.
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    Thanks for the inputs so far, especially the point about mining/herbalism instead of skinning for flight-form gathering.

    To be honest, I wanted a gnome rogue engineer mainly due to the racial and that it fits the image of a gnome toon very well for lore reasons.

    From an AH player point of view, however, I actually need/want a max-level LW more so than engineer, as leather/hide/armor is the next market I would like to try my hands on. Would that mean going w/ druid doing skinning/LW make more sense, since the druid could farm more effectively at 85?

    @EE - I will likely level the rogue at a casual pace, since I just finished power-leveling a priest and not ready to go through all the pre-80 content yet again. Guess that's another vote for going w/ LW on the druid?

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    The rogue will be a casual, non-main-aka-no-heroic toon, so making her the gatherer, at least skinning, does make good sense. I do plan to gear the druid through heroics and thus she will have access to orbs.

    I considered using LW to partially gear the rogue as she levels, but past experiences tell me that I tend to out-pace any crafted gear rather quickly at the speed I level toons, especially w/ heirloom gear.

    At this point I am starting to lean toward dropping skinning and pick up LW on the druid and have the rogue do skinning/mining. Although that does leave the question of which toon doing engineering later on.

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    Honestly I always thought of Engineering as a profession for your main toon, rather than an alt. Most of the best items crafted by Engineers are for their own use (Chopper's notwithstanding); I'm thinking of the goggles, condenser, and all of the various tinkers and repair bots, worm hole generator, portable mailbox etc etc. I know that there are a few gold making crafts in Engineering, but I'm usually hard-pressed to find a market that isn't under cut to death.
    For a heroic/raiding toon, Engineering is (or at least was...not positive now) one of the better professions to have maxxed. I have a rogue as my main, and all through Wrath the Eng/JC combo provided the best raid benefit.
    Short answer-use Eng on a toon you play regularly to get the most out of it.

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    With the changes in 4.0, I highly recommend you take two gathering professions until you get your character to either 75 or 85. The XP gained along the way will be invaluable. If you plan on moving into LW, you need to decide if you want to farm the leveling mats on your druid or if you will skin as you go (then use either the druid or AH to fill holes). If you're planning on Engineering, then Mine your way up and keep all the ore/gems you find (you can sell the stone but work with a blacksmith to sell grinding/sharpening stones instead of the raw mat).

    As for gear, ignore all the crafted items while leveling. Pick up the Heirloom Chest and Shoulders (and cloak if your guild is high enough level) and go to work. Just grab quest reward upgrades in the other slots. As you said, you'll outlevel most of what you would make anyway. If you have the JP available, picking up 2*Heirloom daggers helps a TON as well. Some argue for the trinkets, but I feel they aren't too amazing for non-casters.

    Regarding Rogues, they are pretty crappy at lower levels. If you can work your way to about level 30 or so, they get a lot more fun and a lot more versatile. The changes to poisons and some of the abilities went a long way to making them viable levelers as well (poisons no longer have levels of potency so you can grab a stock of them and go nuts). Also, Lockpicking increases skill as you level, so no more junkbox grinding.

 

 

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