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    The future of Dreamcloth.

    Do you guys think will be used for the crafted epics from tailoring in the second tier of Cata raids? I'm sure Chaos Orbs will be used for all professions, but since tailoring epics have gotten so cheap, should we (I) stockpile dreamcloth in preparation? Or use it while It's still semi-profitable?

    What do you all think?

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    On my market Dreamcloth crafted items, are almost near the point where the craft cost equals the average cost of producing the cloth. What I'm currently doing is
    - Keeping a stock of 1 of each dreamcloth-made item, and selling it only when there is no competition (at a higher prices ofcourse).
    - Keeping an average of 5-6 of each Spellthread and selling only for ~200+ profit.
    - Stockpiling the rest and... hopeing.

    I am not actually relying on the second tier of cata gear, I am hopeing that there will be a greater demand for Spellthread's a few months from now, thus rising the overall price of Dreamcloth made items.
    Last edited by Pliaksi; January 21st, 2011 at 01:54 AM.
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    I personally believe that Dreamcloth will be made BoE at some point in the near future. Tailoring is the only profession where their rare mat is BoP, and I personally think it is hindering it. I don't think they'll change the way it is crafted, but I do believe they will make it more accessible to non tailors at some point.

    For MY tailor (once he gets to 85), I'll be burning through Dreamcloth as quick as possible. Normally when I'm afraid something exclusive goes away, I get scared and try to constantly use it.

    So, in my opinion, I would start making , , and . Let's say you are starting off a week with 0 Dreamcloth, and 0 crafted. I would create all 6 Dreamcloth, use 4 of the Dreamcloth to craft 2x of each spellthread. That would leave you with 2 Dreamcloth, try to sell those Spellthreads for as much profit as you can. During the next week, I would craft all 6 of my dreamcloth again, giving me 8 in total at which point I would craft an illusionary bag. Thus leaving you with 0 Dreamcloth, allowing you to start the cycle all over again.

    I also wouldn't craft the epic gear, because I feel like the market for that is dying. If you can still make a nice 1-2k profit on the epics, feel free to craft them, but personally on my server, it's not worth the risk because it takes a week or more to move most epic items now.

    Now, this is only really worth it if you make a profit for EVERY ITEM. Dreamcloth is kinda weird, because they all take different mats, and when you craft a spellthread you can't just say "Oh, I used the dreamcloth of life, so the price was lower because of Volatile Life". You should treat each dreamcloth with the same value, regardless of which dreamcloth area it came from.

    This was longer than I thought, but I hope I conveyed my feelings well :P


    Edit: Also remember the Illusionary Bag turns into a 26 slot bag, making it the largest bag available.
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    I agree, Cokeroft that they will change something with dreamcloth in the future, but I don't know what. Whether it becomes a shorter cooldown, BoE, or just not used at all in the future, I highly doubt they'll keep the epic crafts as simple as "Mats are X number of dreamcloth".

    Currently, I'm getting almost ALL my volatiles from my alchemy transmutes, because I have 3 per day I find myself needing little to none every week for crafting my cloth. So my cloth is 1,000 - 1,200g for 5 (I don't include the Chaos Orb craft in with the other 5, because I rarely get enough even though I run my random daily), and the volatiles, since I stocked up over 2,000 when they were 3g each, are usually 450 - 1,000g. The reason for such a big variable on my volatiles is simply because some weeks I'm lucky and end up getting all my volatiles I need from the lifes, and some weeks I don't. So let's say max, 2,000g for 5 cloth. That's 400g per cloth, and the spellthreads generally sell around 800-1,000g each.. So still doubling profits on those, but for a week long cooldown, I feel like 400-500g profit is kinda... Well... Meh. I guess I'm just dreaming of a perfect world where they make dreamcloth useable in the future for tier 2 cata raids, and I craft 10 epics right when they're available, and make 300k off of them... but... Like I said, I doubt that will happen.

    Also, in my opinion, 8 cloth for 1 bag is so not worth it. Whether its 26 slot or not, that's a huge amount of cloth. 8 x 400g = 3,200g to craft one. So to make the same profits I would from spellthreads, I'd have to sell for at the very least, 6,400g. I don't see too many people blowing 6,400g on a bag, whether its 26 slot or not.

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    edit: nevermind, I can't read
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    If you can make profit off it now i would do so as it will only likely get worse in one way or another. Whether it be removal of CD (likely far in the future but you never really know), simply becoming unprofitable etc.
    While there is a very small chance it may become more useful and therefore more profitable in the future Blizz are showing an increasing tendency to make things more and more accessible in regard to trading (read making them cheaper for the end user) so i wouldn't hold much hope on them suddenly making something much more useful/profitable although it does occasionally happen.
    Waiting for that very small possibly maybe simply means you are missing out on actual profits now.

    The only thing i might slightly hold out for it the upcoming changes to the epic crafts which may produce a small spike in demand for them.
    Last edited by Thefluffyrocker; January 22nd, 2011 at 06:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thefluffyrocker View Post
    If you can make profit off it now i would do so as it will only likely get worse in one way or another. Whether it be removal of CD (likely far in the future but you never really know), simply becoming unprofitable etc.
    While there is a very small chance it may become more useful and therefore more profitable in the future Blizz are showing an increasing tendency to make things more and more accessible in regard to trading (read making them cheaper for the end user) so i wouldn't hold much hope on them suddenly making something much more useful/profitable although it does occasionally happen.
    Waiting for that very small possibly maybe simply means you are missing out on actual profits now.

    The only thing i might slightly hold out for it the upcoming changes to the epic crafts which may produce a small spike in demand for them.

    Good point. I'll start selling the spellthreads. I might keep like 10 cloth around just in-case this happens... Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnomage View Post
    I don't see too many people blowing 6,400g on a bag, whether its 26 slot or not.
    You can buy with the goblin racial discount and sell them at less than Haris Pilton sells them for and make more money from bags that way.

    Presently is the best bang for buck bag sale ATM for high capacity bags, for volume the still wins hands down ofc. I don't see becoming profitable anytime soon and the 36 slot enchant/herb bags are used in levelling guides to speed level Tailoring, those are rarely going to be selling at more than the mats prices.

    I'm stockpiling dreamcloth ATM hoping for some crafted epics that require chaos orbs to craft. Having to use 5 orbs to make 1 non CD cloth is a bit of a kick in the thimbles for a Tailor imo. I'll get a stack and then craft the others I make into spellthreads. Hopefully I can make shiny T2 epics when they are released but if not, no great loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErolVingian View Post
    You can buy with the goblin racial discount and sell them at less than Haris Pilton sells them for and make more money from bags that way.

    Presently is the best bang for buck bag sale ATM for high capacity bags, for volume the still wins hands down ofc. I don't see becoming profitable anytime soon and the 36 slot enchant/herb bags are used in levelling guides to speed level Tailoring, those are rarely going to be selling at more than the mats prices.

    I'm stockpiling dreamcloth ATM hoping for some crafted epics that require chaos orbs to craft. Having to use 5 orbs to make 1 non CD cloth is a bit of a kick in the thimbles for a Tailor imo. I'll get a stack and then craft the others I make into spellthreads. Hopefully I can make shiny T2 epics when they are released but if not, no great loss.

    That's my hope, but how long til they implement the new stuff. 3 months at the earliest, I would say. After that we'll either have to get drops OR rep to get them, so let's say 4 months to be safe.

    that's 16 weeks, 5 dreamcloth minimum a week, 5 * 16 = 80. 80 cloth at 400g profit per is 32,000g. That's a pretty decent loss, but nothing compared to the "loss" it will be if we ARE able to make t2 epics.. Ugh. Stupid blizzard. I wish I could read your minds.. Or at least wish you would do things the same way in every expac so I could know what to expect. Oh well. We'll see sooner or later..
    Last edited by Gnomage; January 23rd, 2011 at 01:48 PM. Reason: Bad at typing.

 

 

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