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    A general 5.2 overspeculation and promise of things to come thread

    Because I care, people need to be aware of this game mechanic. For the first time since Patch 2.3, no catch up gear looks to be on the horizon for the casual player. Here are some recent tweets.

    https://twitter.com/CM_Zarhym/status/282622614143381504
    https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/sta...16574480990209
    https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/sta...03101369892864

    I don't think a lot of people understand the significance of this move. I'm going to turn off the old hardcore side of me that's jumping for joy, and put on the old green tinted clerk's hat so you may understand why you should plan for this change so you don't get hurt. Well, at least not too bad.

    In the past, the big reason you stockpiled ore, gems and enchants between patches was to take advantage of next patch gear. Raiders are generally in the latest content gear, but there's an enormous population of casuals and alts. Alts became truly popular after patch 3.2 when they threw easy to retain epics to the masses via the tournament instance and easymode raids. We saw an absolute surge of them with the release of 3.3 and the new LFD. Since that time, you could count on the legions of unwashed masses of alts and casuals to snag this loot, run to their local AH and sharpen it up with your cut gems and enchants from Day 1 of the patch. By Cataclysm each patch represented a gold mine since people simply capped themselves out prior to the patch, then bought all the last tier's goodies as fast as possible.

    Apparently, this will not be the case moving forward. The developers have decided from the looks of it that you have the opportunity to catch up via Looking for Raid and through reputations offered. After all, casuals wanted access to gear at their own pace, and Blizzard offered it in these two ways. Regardless of your opinions about these both being mandatory to even progress in normal mode raiding (pashah, right), these are now mandatory to see the content of the game if you are a casual player. Linear Progression = Classic and TBC Progression. The new mantra seems to be the old mantra, if you wish to see the content you will stay subbed and play through it like everyone else.

    Ok, let's take a break here. What's in it for me? At this point, and IF they follow through here, you'll have hundreds of thousands of returning players who exited the game early into MoP. I have dozens of people in my casual guild that haven't logged in since late October, and they are generally in sub 463 gear and some have a few 476 pieces on. So when they wake up Patchmas morning, download and resub, they're not going to be seeing the new content right away. I look forward to the posts asking for this gear, only to be pointed to LFR and the daily machine. Yes Virginia, Blizzard killed Santa Claus.

    So what's a casual player to do here? My alts need gear, too. (Mind you, I raid my alts in LFR and do dailies across several characters weekly, so this won't affect me, but it makes me think about what others will experience). Item level to enter the new LFR is going to probably be in the low 480s or high 470s and I'm going to guess 477 since they do odd things like that. To hit this item level, a person just needs to acquire a decent mix of 476/489 from raids and valor rewards. The fastest route to ilvl has always been to purchase the gear.

    Hello Blacksmiths, Leatherworkers, and Tailors.

    Don't get too excited about PvP crafted, this will be granted ilvl 458.

    http://ptr.wowdb.com/items?filter-se...dful+Gladiator

    (Thanks Mithrildar)

    So with 458, you can't even queue LFR. People are going to be really excited when they notice they got 0-1 drops in their initial runs. I'm currently working my paladin, and thanks to bad luck I had to spend 3 weeks running the initial wings just to queue for the next tier. I cheated however, I crafted 2 epics and kept them in the bags unequipped and sold them after I got a piece to drop for each slot. WHAT? Still not fixed, confirmed gang. Get used to it.

    The real answer to skip ahead will be to get Sha gear, T1 PvP gear (assuming they're going to do like they've been doing here and boost it to about 488/489 and make it all grindable and do not fix it to where it prevents people from hitting the queue), or purchase 476/496 BOEs off the AH.

    Edit: One opportunity has come up (again Mith). If they were to convert 489 and under Valor gear - the stuff you get through dailies - to being available for JP, this could create a small market. This would of course assume the majority has their reps in line, and we all know that people can't be asked to do dailies on their mains much less their alts.

    What was that thing about JC and Enchanting though?


    Obviously, if you don't have the massive and easy acquisition, it's not going to be as needed. Over time, it certainly will still be a high turn profession, but I don't think we're going to see the enormous boost to profits like we've seen in the past. The answer here will be the PvPers. They will get their catchup gear, and hopefully they will be able to help reset these languishing markets we've all seen with all the various cuts.

    So what do we do between now and then?

    Honestly, this is your call. If you are stockpiling gems or enchanting mats, you probably won't see the big boosts we've gotten used to seeing for the past 5 years. Ores probably will get a slight blip on the radar, but I don't foresee the extreme jumps we've seen in recent years.
    Last edited by Zerohour; December 31st, 2012 at 02:20 PM. Reason: bold face


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    @Zerohour , please help me understand, so in cata my blacksmith/lw/tailer woke up and had the newer highler recipes, I didn't have to do anything , you are saying this has changed?
    There is no bloodthirsty to vicious gear recipe crafting upgrades?
    So people will be grinding more randoms and less buying auction house crafted gear?

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    Jimmy, read what I mentioned. You will get the upgraded recipes, the new ones will be 458. These are not going to be good enough to get people out of the basic LFR however. The only reason people will be buying gems and enchants the first day will be:

    1) New raids completed by current raiders
    2) PvP gear tweaks
    3) Acquisition of 476/496 BOEs

    There's no reason for them to grind dungeons except to hit the first tier of LFR, which can be accomplished via the new PvP gear (should they keep ilvls on PvP gear which they will - it's Blizz ffs, changing this would require them to hire NASA programmers or something).

    The point of my thread is to caution people that this patch is NOT going to be like the Cata or Wrath patches so many were used to, it's going to be more Classic/TBC than anything else.
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    This is most certainly a new move on Blizzard's behalf. TBH, I half way expected it, seeing how they have been doing things in MoP so far.
    I've been keeping a cautious eye on things and have thrown all the cata expectations to the side, because, hey, this isn't cata.

    In cata, you could have gotten away with not reading patch notes or tweets, and still be fine rolling into the next patch by continuing the same ol shuffle or whatever method you used.

    But, ever since MoP was in beta, I have been in this rolling habit of reading up on things and staying deeply plugged in so that I can plan accordingly. And I recommend everyone do the same.
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    Interesting design philosophy shift. It makes me think they are working with drastically reduced resources. If their idea works well enough, they'll have a player base that's dispersed through the different "cars of the train". It may also smooth out subscription drops, since all the content will remain current and players will be distributed all through it. (It becomes much harder to exhaust the current tier and have nothing to do.) It'll be interesting to see how it works out since so many dynamics are different now and people are far less patient.

    One place we can make bank is providing gems, enchants, and item enhancements for upgraded gear. All existing enhancements go away when gear is upgraded and for many players a few pieces of upgraded gear might well be the push in ilevel needed to get into the next tier of lfr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deja View Post
    One place we can make bank is providing gems, enchants, and item enhancements for upgraded gear. All existing enhancements go away when gear is upgraded and for many players a few pieces of upgraded gear might well be the push in ilevel needed to get into the next tier of lfr.
    If you mean next tier of raiding, certainly. I haven't lost my enchants on any upgrades.
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    Well it's official Blizzard hates alts. This x-pac has now officially become known as the killer of alts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbodan View Post
    Well it's official Blizzard hates alts. This x-pac has now officially become known as the killer of alts.
    I too have accepted this with much resignation.

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    What this should mean is that there will be a number of people looking for BoE epics to help boost item level, so if you see some cheap ones up for bid, snag them and flip for profit.

    I am also not a huge fan with the way alts were treated, but Blizzard has multiple times made it clear that they don't feel a person should be able to roll 4-5 top level characters with full epic gear.

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    Oh this makes me jump for JOY! I'm hardcore at heart and have been pining over vanilla and TBC days... YAHOOOO!!!!! I haven't even gotten to raid MSV yet b/c of lack of a full raid group, but this means all is not lost for me! I can make my group and start from the beginning and still enjoy ALL the content like in the old days. THANK YOU BLIZZ, DON'T GO BACK ON THIS!!!!

    Ahem...now for my goblin side... I'm not stockpiling, I'm just going to continue business as usual and watch all my competitors shoot themselves in the foot

 

 
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