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    Unhappy Getting scammed is more common than you may think. Beware, goblins!

    Firstly, I would like to say that this is my first post here, after lurking for these past few weeks. I just thought this situation was more serious than many would think.

    I know a true goblin may not have fallen prey to a scam as easily as I did, but as a player who has made 600k in the past three weeks with a 2k startup solely off investing, I'm pretty disappointed that I did.

    The situation was: there was a level 1 selling a swift spectral tiger for 240k, which by itself, is an amazing deal. I was on a server that I didn't play on, yet still had 170k liquid there. Therefore, because I wanted to be able to move my money to my main server, I offered to pay 160k and a darkmoon rabbit pet for his tiger. After a moment of silence, he agrees. But he tells me he needs me to fly him to Booty Bay. Mistake 1: I did.

    Why is this such a shady deal even from this initial point? Because it shows that he does not currently have the tiger, and that a code transaction must take place. But I, being naive and thinking that people innately have a disposition towards "good," while also needing to get rid of my money, agreed to fly him to Booty Bay.

    Then, he says that according to his "boss," I must give half my gold as an upfront payment, and conversely I get half of the loot code. Given that this person's grammar wasn't impeccable by any standard, but sounded like he was part of an organization (talking about his employer, "boss"), I assumed that this person was working a large scale TCG operation, where the positive economies of scale allowed him to sell at very cheap. In my defense, I have dealt with people like this, and they are invariably Chinese, which is not a problem. However, since I have reliably bought from these Chinese before for items such as blood spirits and living steel, I assumed that they were trustworthy to a certain extent. Obvious Mistake Number 2.

    Now, I'm no stranger to scams, but personally, I've never dealt with the 1/2 up front, 1/2 on delivery method, so I thought it was legitimate. Granted, I had faith in Blizzard to be able to return to me the money and ban the player if he was indeed a scammer, so I went ahead with the transaction. However, the twist was, that he wanted the 2nd half of my gold (80k) before giving me the rest of the code, which was very odd. However my faith in Blizzard let me go through with it. Why not? At most I was only going to waste an hour of my time, right?

    Well, actually, I don't know. I have ticketed Blizzard after this guy left me with a fake code and empty pockets, but there has been no response so far. I'm skeptical of the great GM's powers because this guy, as I later predicted, went straight to the auction house and bought out all of the blood spirits in circulation. He then deleted his account after doing whatever he did (sending to other characters, transferring, and so on). This, I felt, would conceal his paths and would make it tough to track him down. In addition, I don't know if auction house deals can be reverted, even in a scamming situation.

    Even if one is naive and stupid, they should have recognized this: He was selling a swift spectral tiger, but the loot code technically gives two mounts. Why would he entrust me to give one back? That should have been the final red card, but the myriad of pressuring circumstances pushed details like this into the back of my head. Maybe he forgot that you get two mounts? Maybe he's only doing this half-and-half deal because his boss said so and that it's company policy? Well, no. My romantic scenario of me getting the mount for dirt cheap was stepped on. I hope that Blizzard is able to retrieve what I have lost, but I fully understand if they cannot, especially since this mistake was entirely based on my stupidity.

    Later, I saw this guy posting on the opposite faction, trying to lure others into falling into my trap. I luckily told trade before anyone bit, albeit getting trolled like always for QQ'ing, but hopefully I stopped some other poor guy from losing all of his investments.

    Forum readers: Let me be an example to you all. This happens hundreds of times a week. There are companies built on malpractice such as this. Beware, and have a nice day.

    TL;DR (hopefully you do read it): Do not ever buy TCG items without getting the item at the same time that you pay. You will rue the day.

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    Yes, this kind of stuff still happens.

    When purchasing something like this, I ALWAYS ask them to put the item in the trade box before any cash is given and often before any price is agreed upon. They don't actually have to trade it, but this proves to me that they actually have the item in their possession Invariably, I find that 99% of the time, they are unwilling to do it (because they don't have it). Then barking in trade will out the scammer and they inevitably leave.


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    Hey thanks for the interest. Yeah, things like this are a pain. It's just lucky that it was me, and not some guy who's spent 2 years saving for this mount.

    For anyone with knowledge on the subject, do situations like this end up turning out well? I've seen a couple posts eerily similar to mine and they got resolved. However they are all pretty far back in the past so I'm not sure if it's possible anymore.

    Two referenced threads that give me hope are:

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...4653540?page=1

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    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...9669024?page=3

    Both these people had their problems sorted out, but I'm not sure whether the Auction House factor will come into play here. He did buy the entire blood spirit market, of that I'm sure.

    Thanks, guys.

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    never ever buy codes from people that don't have a reputation to back them up unless they are giving first.

    no they do not. they've taken to an 100% method of saying "your fault" and nothing will be reimbursed in these cases.
    Screw the rules, I have money!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKeynes View Post
    For anyone with knowledge on the subject, do situations like this end up turning out well?
    No, they don't. This type of scam has been around for years and at this point Blizz's stance seems to be that if you fall victim, it's your fault.


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    Ok thanks, guys. That's a bit depressing, but won't destroy me or anything.

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    I wouldn't trust anyone in my guild with 5,000 gold...let alone a stranger..
    Sorry for your loss man, but your story will help others. so good for you for sharing.
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    Update here: Interesting. I actually did get my items reimbursed. I believe this was because of how straightforward the manner in which I was scammed was executed, leading to a simple crackdown. I have added the scammer on Skype and have yet to ask him whether or not he got to keep the blood spirits. If he did, that's sad, because two players could exploit Blizzard's kindness here to potentially make money unjustly. Will try to keep this updated. But as a note to TCG buyers: Be careful, but if you do end up getting scammed, do not give up! I may have been lucky with a kind GM, but I honestly believe it was because of how explicit the deal was, and how blatantly the dealer failed to comply. Thanks, all.

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    I feel victim months ago to this SAME guy! Talked about his "boss" etc, and my friend on a different server ALSO did! Same guy! (or same company). We both got our items returned. At the time I wasn't aware that the tcg mounts were now BoE so that's why I fell for it..dumb me lol But yea, seems this guy's scams do end up being reimbursed probably b/c of the nature of the scam. But...everyone should be very careful, it's not guaranteed that your stuff will be returned!

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    I hit the same problem. Buying petstore pets and mounts. 240k all together on the basis that they "needed some quick gold to help boe themselves up for raiding". I know other people who encountered the same thing earlier had no problem with restorations, which led me to have the faith that blizzard would have my back if it actually was a scam. Guy was using a stolen account and CC to buy the stuff. It all vanished from my acct after a week or so. Bliz GMs shit on me saying it's against the TOU, and I'm s.o.l.

    For reference, TOU section b7 basically says "engaging in anything that could lead to a legitimate paying subscriber getting scammed is against our policy, and we don't have to support any transaction that's against our policy". Paraphrased... if you get suckered, it's your own dumb fault, you dumb $h!t, and we don't have to help you.

    From a design perspective, I have to call bull$hit on the entire process. If they'd just make all the petstore and tcg items boe in the first place, there's be no potential for a scam, because all trades could be conducted via the trade window, which would verify the existence of the item and lock the exchange down to an atomic transaction. In terms of the restoration process, if they have the capacity to persue the scammer, disabling accounts and removing gold, then they have the capacity to undo the entire exchange on your end as well. You don't get items, you keep your gold. The scammer gets punished and keeps nothing. False reports could be verified via chatlog inspection, which they retain for approximately 1 month anyway. Login IP address ranges for various accounts can provide a pretty telling story for which exchanges involved in a tangled network of shuffling gold/items around are actually a part of the whole scam network or not. Further to that, they could easily require subsequent login authentication for non-authenticatored accounts (these days you basically always have to have an authenticator or you're just asking for it anyway) to be bound to an IP address range history for your account, which you could optionally restrict using your account preferences online.

    I'd be willing to be that they'd save more money on not having to hire GMs to deal with this crap and implementing a few of these changes than they get by screwing paying customers and having them spend additional hours farming that gold back again to get back to where they were pre-scam.

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    Last edited by KatsuraNomiya; November 19th, 2012 at 02:29 PM.

 

 
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