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    Theres something very wrong with spending 30k and getting 34k back. My friend plays on your server and spent 60k and got a 155k return two weeks ago. He does not list enchants only sells mats, makes gems, cuts them etc. Buying ore NOT in bulk is a problem. Every 10 stacks you buy in bulk buys you an extra stack in comparison to the AH.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thanateros View Post
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    You don't have to know, which enchants are hot sellers in the first place. Try to get comfortable with TSM. Not only for posting, but with the whole AddOn. The more you learn, the easier it will become to make gold.

    You learned the first step already: Money in the bank is dead asset. Invest (in your case) everything to get as much profit as possible.

    So, my tipp for you is: Get to know TSM in its overwhelming functionality and work with it. Don't use only the auctioning module ;-)
    For me personally I make more in one single hour farming cloth than i can make in two hours shuffling ore with no investment required and that is with CODing mats to someone for bulk prices.

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    @Shodokan
    That depends on the point of view: Shuffling with the CKS requires no active time in WoW, which means you can surf on the Internet, you can write your own book or whatever you like as long as it's on the computer. Without the CKS, you can also watch a movie and just use a key on your mouse which sends "1" to WoW.

    In none of those situations, you have to spend time with WoW. In YOUR case, you'd have to farm actively one hour, in which you can't do anything else.

    So i ask - which brings more profit, considering time and opportunity cost? It's not that i'm against your way of earning gold. It's simply not the goblin way of life ;-)
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    Also, it would be good to know your posting habits versus that of your competition. What are gem prices on your server? The only way I could see you not making a profit is if you are a) doing it wrong, or b) the ore prices are way above what you can sell gems for.

    Also, by the sounds of your posts, you sound very easily discouraged. My sister is exactly the same way and she will post items at well below cost "just to get rid of it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanateros View Post
    You don't have to know, which enchants are hot sellers in the first place. Try to get comfortable with TSM. Not only for posting, but with the whole AddOn. The more you learn, the easier it will become to make gold.
    I don't understand this comment. How does learning TSM do away with the need to know what sells?

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    If you have your settings appropriate for how much stuff costs you to make, all you do is scan the AH, figure out what you would be posting, queue up what you need to make, then post everything.

    ETA - in cases where you have plenty of base materials to support the crafting of as many enchants as you want, this is fine. This will not maximize your profit per resource, if you are running on limited resources (due to time, desire, or materials to shuffle). That is why I analyze my specific market and find what gives the highest ROI on celestials.
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    @sync
    Because TSM calculates: It uses the value of the end product, calculates how much it would cost if you'd buy all of the raw mats off the AH and how much profit you could make that way.

    You can also set custom prices, if you do - for example - the shuffle. Because an inferno ruby wouldn't cost you 120g this way but only like 20-30g (statistics, overall etc. etc. pp ^^). So you see "I can make this much profit with that item and this much profit with that item".

    Sure, that's only the tip of the pyramid. And what's hot what's not - that needs some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanateros View Post
    Because TSM calculates: It uses the value of the end product, calculates how much it would cost if you'd buy all of the raw mats off the AH and how much profit you could make that way.
    TSM doesn't know if the AH prices are realistic or if anything even sold for an enchant that is listed. Unless it is a heavily traded item any profit estimate it makes is an illusion.

    So I don't see how you can get around learning what sells well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanateros View Post
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    You don't have to know, which enchants are hot sellers in the first place. Try to get comfortable with TSM. Not only for posting, but with the whole AddOn. The more you learn, the easier it will become to make gold.

    You learned the first step already: Money in the bank is dead asset. Invest (in your case) everything to get as much profit as possible.

    So, my tipp for you is: Get to know TSM in its overwhelming functionality and work with it. Don't use only the auctioning module ;-)
    The problem I have for TSM is there are some items it lists as making a profit, but I don't think they will sell good. My realm has a habit of ppl posting something for high amounts just because it's an old enchant/item. For instance, this has nothing to do with this, someone is posting a green weapon contently for 2k+ just because of it's weapon model. I have seen it on the ah from the same seller for over a month now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darraxus View Post
    Also, it would be good to know your posting habits versus that of your competition. What are gem prices on your server? The only way I could see you not making a profit is if you are a) doing it wrong, or b) the ore prices are way above what you can sell gems for.

    Also, by the sounds of your posts, you sound very easily discouraged. My sister is exactly the same way and she will post items at well below cost "just to get rid of it".
    I am. lol But I never sell anything to "just get rid of it" unless I have had it for more then a week.

    Gem prices atm range from 200-250 per inferno ruby right now. I probably am doing it wrong, that happens a lot to me. lol Ore prices are up to 110 gold now for Elementium Ore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sync View Post
    TSM doesn't know if the AH prices are realistic or if anything even sold for an enchant that is listed. Unless it is a heavily traded item any profit estimate it makes is an illusion.

    So I don't see how you can get around learning what sells well.
    That's true. But NO AddOn can tell you what's selling good and what's bad. Machines can't do everything for you (unless the machines are connected to Skynet). You start small by like crafting the item only 5 times if TSM tells you that it's profitable. Then you watch your sales.
    And ofc. you have to know a bit of the game too. For example that int/stamina will be a bad choice as first JC pattern, because noone uses it. If you could learn all of that within a few days or if an AddOn does exactly that for you - where would be the fun? Any newcomer would be able to come into your market.
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    Hypothetically speaking, it could very well be the case that market mechanics on your server differ much from others. For example the ore on AH can be so expensive along with fierce comepition, the ROI (return on investment) for the shuffle can be disappointing.

    A suggestion could be to check out which items the (bigger) goblins on your server are selling. This is done via the Undermine Journal.

    First you select your realm. After that you can check the "Busy Sellers" tab to see what they are doing. You could also check your AH for names that pop up often and enter them in the search field on TUJ (the Undermine Journal). Perhaps you can get an idea on whats selling good on your server via this way.

 

 
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