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    I have been playing since March. I play a level 36 paladin that has mining and blacksmithing professions. I have 19 gold in my bank. I cannot afford to buy any of the nice armor or weapons that are listed in the auction house.

    I want to make gold but I do not know how to start. I try to sell the ore that I mine, but nobody buys it from the auction house, so I sell it to the repair guy in Stormwind.

    Is there a “best way” to get started with only a little bit of gold? I have read a lot, but it looks like everything is written for people who are rich already.

    I installed auctioneer add-on and I want to learn. Can someone please point me in the right direction?

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    Couple things I would recommend...

    First... don't vendor your ore. If the ore doesn't sell, smelt it into bars and sell the bars on the AH. Someone WILL buy it. Sometimes the trick is to sell it in smaller stacks too. Don't just put it up in stacks of 20, but rather sell it in stacks of 2, 3, 5, or even 10 instead. Not everyone needs 20 at a time. Those that need smaller quantities are sometimes willing to spend a little more if they can get a smaller stack size.

    Second... what level is your blacksmithing? At level 35, you can get your Blacksmithing up to 300. The one big thing that can be quite profitable is the . It requires 3x and 1x . Now, the tricky part is that you do need some gold to buy the arcanite bars and dense stone (to make the dense grinding stone). But if you can get the gold to make 1, then sell it, you should be able to make some profit from that, and then slowly make more and more of them.

    NOTE: as an added bonus to this one, if you can find an Alchemist, they can transmute 1x and 1x into an Arcanite Bar. In some cases, this will be cheaper than buying the Arcanite Bar straight off the AH. If you are in a guild, find a guild member that can do this for you. You supply the Arcane Crystals and Thorium Bars and they do the transmutes for you.

    Third... being a Blacksmith, you can buy up , make from that, and turn in those grinding stones at the Darkmoon Faire each month to get or . Inside those prizes you can get some pretty valuable items with a bit of luck. Worse case, you'll get some green quality items that you could sell on the Auction House.

    Fourth... this one kind of expands on the first one, but you could always take some time and just mine ore. You get Experience from mining, so you could spend some time mining Iron Deposits, then sell the ore and/or bars on the AH. Iron Ore & Bars typically sell fairly well. If you go to Arathi Highlands, there is a decent bit of it all around the outer edges of the zone. You could also go to Redridge Mountains and mine up all the Tin and Copper Veins, and possibly find some Silver Veins as well. Silver Ore sells quite well (on nearly any server) because it can help level up Mining by smelting it (but don't smelt it... sell the ore).
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    All of the rods for enchanting will sell decently, Silver up through Arcanite. Use auctioneer to slightly (1s or so) undercut others who have posted the same things so yours sell first. If you always post at "Market Value" you may be posting in the middle of the spectrum. I personally prefer Autionator addon as a beginner. Use what Drrwho said and sell your ore in different forms and different stack sizes.

    How quickly your stuff sells depends heavily on how populated your server is. If you started on one of the "New Player" servers you're probably on a very low population server. If there's no one around, there's no one to buy your goodies.
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    I'm posting this separately, since it's really another facet to gold making.

    You mentioned you installed Auctioneer. This is something that, as you get more familiar with the market on your server, you could turn into a nice income as well.

    For a week or two, especially starting off, do full scans on your AH once or twice a day, to build up a nice database of items and pricing.

    You can also start watching some specific items, to learn the pricing of those items on your server. Safer items to start with would be things like gems (,,,,,), Ore & Bars (especially since you would be mining and selling those items already), and other commodities like leather & cloth.

    As you start to get a better idea of what normal prices are on your server, you could start watching for good deals on those items... prices that you could buy at and re-list at a profit. With Auctioneer, you can build a Snatch List (I won't get into details of how to make one, as there are guides here that go over that already) and "snatch" items that are listed at prices below a certain threshold that you set.

    I will caution you though... since you are just getting started and don't have much gold yet, be careful with this. If you don't know the items you are buying well enough, it can cause you to lose gold. Just because Auctioneer says something is a good deal, it doesn't always mean it is. Some people will list items at ridiculously high prices to throw off Auctioneer scans, specifically to mess with people and get them to buy something that is not worth the price. This is why you really need to develop a better idea of what items sell on your server and for what prices. Once you do that and are comfortable with it, you could start taking advantage of low priced items... buy low, sell high!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cariessa View Post
    All of the rods for enchanting will sell decently, Silver up through Arcanite. Use auctioneer to slightly (1s or so) undercut others who have posted the same things so yours sell first. If you always post at "Market Value" you may be posting in the middle of the spectrum. I personally prefer Autionator addon as a beginner.
    I wouldn't recommend selling a though. While they will sell, typically they will sell at or below the cost of mats. Silver Ore is one of the lower level ores that players can get good Mining skillups from by smelting it. It sells at a pretty decent premium. I actually watch for Silver Ore on my server and buy any I see priced at under 3g a piece. I've have never had trouble selling it for 6.75g each or more. Granted, this is server dependent, so I can't guarantee it will sell for that much on your server. But it will likely still sell at a premium of some sort.

    You could try selling a , to see if it's worthwhile. Gold Ore can be used to get a few Mining skillups when smelted, but not very many. Thus, it doesn't sell for much, if any, premium. It might be a possible profit maker. Might not be much, but at your level, any profit is good and will help you establish some income.


    Also to Cariessa's point, especially starting off, until you can get a better feel of what normal prices are on your server and at what prices stuff will nearly always sell for (regardless of what the lowest price is at that moment), I'd recommend pricing your stuff a bit under the competition. Even 1 copper less can work. At this point in time, your main goal is to generate some gold, so that you have something to work with for generating additional profit streams later.

    Auctioneer will most often use a default price of what it perceives the Market Price to be. This perceived price can be easily skewed by just 1 player posting items at ridiculously high prices.

    As Cariessa mentioned, using Auctionator for posting auctions can be a better route. Continue using Auctioneer to do AH scans and building the item & price database (and for buying up deals, once you get comfortable with the market), but gow ith Auctionator for posting. It will automatically post at a price that undercuts your competition, and you can easily adjust that price as necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cariessa View Post
    How quickly your stuff sells depends heavily on how populated your server is. If you started on one of the "New Player" servers you're probably on a very low population server. If there's no one around, there's no one to buy your goodies.
    This can be another sticky point. If your server is low population, that can cause a bit of an issue, but you can use this to your advantage as well. With low population comes less competition. This can allow you to establish yourself as a prime supplier of one or more items. I'm not saying go and buyout anything someone else posts of items you are selling too. But, you can more easily gain a good idea of what prices stuff will sell for and eventually, you could push prices higher and control it more as your gold supply allows.

    At either rate, you can still sell your items. It just might take a little more time if there are less players needing your items.

    And don't hesitate to post in trade chat as well. On a low pop server, that can be your friend just as much as the AH can. Getting your name out there could generate more repeat business for you.


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    This might not exactly be what you want to hear, but I can assure you it is good advice nonetheless:

    Don't buy
    any of the nice armor or weapons that are listed in the auction house.
    until you are at max level. It isn't worth it. Start saving your gold now and you will be in a much better place once you ding 85. The amount of gear that is available now via quests, dungeons, etc. means that however you have decided to level your character up should be sufficient enough in adequately gearing yourself.
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    My fellow goblins gave you great advice, young grasshopper, but may i just point out...

    Blacksmithing is quite expensive to level and the things that sell are limited.

    My advice, as your just starting is to perhaps drop BS althogether and pick up another gathering proffession while you level.

    Low level herbs sell well and the gathers give you xp.

    Once your at max level you have more financial flexibility and you can delve into crafting.

    Oh, and dont worry to much when stuff comes back from the AH. We all go through tons of mails that expire.

    Just my 2 Pennys on the subject.
    Time is money, friend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by m0rce View Post
    Blacksmithing is quite expensive to level and the things that sell are limited.

    My advice, as your just starting is to perhaps drop BS althogether and pick up another gathering proffession while you level.
    That is honestly another option... and possibly a better one. Blacksmithing has some nice bonuses to it... at higher levels. At low levels, like m0rce said, it does have limitations on what can & will sell.

    When I start a new character, I almost always get mining & herbalism on him to start with. I'm not focused on leveling up a crafting profession at that point. I really only care about getting him leveled up, so I take 2 professions that give me XP when I use them. It's an added bonus. Once you get to 85, you can drop one (or both) and get a crafting profession at that point. But you will have more gold at that point too and many more options to work with.


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    If you do decide to go the route of mining & herbalism (or even if you don't and stick with mining & blacksmithing), if you want to make some decent gold fairly quickly and easily, go to the Badlands. The zone is lvl 44-48, so you'll need to level up a bit yet, but that zone is loaded with Mithril Deposits. And there are some nice quests to do there as well. But mithril ore and bars typically sells for a good bit, as it's used for several professions (Blacksmithing, Engineering & Jewelcrafting) in decent quantities. While server dependent, it's common to see stacks of Mithril Ore sell for 40-60g each. And as I already mentioned, Badlands has a large number of Mithril Deposits spawns.


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    Here's another piece of advice, not necessarily for gold-making, but something I wish somebody had told me when I first started playing this game:

    you wrote: "I have 19 gold in my bank. I cannot afford to buy any of the nice armor or weapons that are listed in the auction house."

    If this is your first character, you should not feel compelled to spend a whole lot of gold when you are leveling on gear from the auction house. The fact is, quest rewards are more than sufficient to get you from level 1 to level 85 without ever buying a piece of armor or a weapon from the auction house (this is more true than ever in Cataclysm!). Buying rare items from the auction house can make the leveling grind a bit easier for you, but the reality is it won't make it that much easier.

    When I leveled my first character, I would go to the auction house after each level gained to see what new items I could equip. As a result, I reached end game almost completely broke. Nowadays when I'm leveling new characters I very seldom buy anything from the AH unless it is for a slot that I haven't upgraded for a very long time.

    If you forego buying gear for leveling you'll have that much more gold to spend on your professions and at end-game, when gold and gear really start to matter!

 

 

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