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    People Who Sell Everything

    Greetings!

    Has anyone had any experience with large-scale reselling? I've played the AH game for a little while now and the server I work on (and the one prior) has always had "that guy" who is selling everything from BoE epics to clam meat.

    These people always fascinated me because TUJ scans always showed them as posting auctions in the thousands and have a million toes dipped into a million markets. Has anyone had any experience with playing the AH this way? How do you manage such a large variety of items in a large scale without sitting in front of your computer pressing the post button?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktlol View Post
    Greetings!

    Has anyone had any experience with large-scale reselling? I've played the AH game for a little while now and the server I work on (and the one prior) has always had "that guy" who is selling everything from BoE epics to clam meat.

    These people always fascinated me because TUJ scans always showed them as posting auctions in the thousands and have a million toes dipped into a million markets. Has anyone had any experience with playing the AH this way? How do you manage such a large variety of items in a large scale without sitting in front of your computer pressing the post button?
    I have ~2000 auctions fast moving auctions (enhancements, consumables etc.) up regularly and that number will be increasing as I creep into the minutia of leatheworking and blacksmithing. For 99% of the auctions I do TSM manages everything. I setup thresh holds and fallback prices and adjust my settings every now and then if I am being uncompetitive (DMF card/trinkets/decks, rare gems to name some recent items). In order to avoid having to switch characters to recraft stuff every 30s I overstocked on crafts so that I have at least 1 of that craft on the AH most of the time. Then depending on the profession crafts I'll recraft every 1-7 days (1 for jc, 3 for enchant, 3-5 for glyphs, 7 for other stuff like pets, belts, etc.) I do selling of enchant materials and something else I'm forgetting by hand though as I need different stack sizes posted. I have another character who manages slow moving items like rare recipes/mounts and also items resulting the DMF dense grinding stone trade in. I buy materials on the character I am selling on as well and have the materials required to recraft items sent to the appropriate crafter using TSM's mail module. Sort of the motivation behind selling in so many different markets is that it makes me immune to the antics of the people willing to sacrifice their time ensuring they are the lowest on the AH the majority of the time as the chances that I will be simultaneously undercut in all markets (some of which I am nearly the only seller in) are extremely small. My gross sales per day are similar to when I was in much less markets but more active reposting. The downside of doing this is that if you are willing to hump and grind auctioneers 20 hours a day while managing so many crafts that are overstocked it will take you much much longer to repost which is definitely a competitive disadvantage as it makes you much less agile. An upside of doing this is that you have a lot of opportunity to multi-task while reposting. I usually do crafting research/analysis/read blogs while this is going on.
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    How do you deal with the "retrieve from mail -> wait for mail refresh -> retrieve from mail -> walk to ah -> post on ah due to lack of bag space -> walk to mailbox -> retrieve from mail cycle? How much time do you spend reposting auctions? Do you have any other addons to assist with this? I spend 15 to 20 minutes in this cycle for 250-300 glyphs. I can't imagine taking that up to 2k posts.

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    First thing I do is split up posting duties between my crafters. My JC posts her gems, Scribe posts all glyphs, my warlock posts his enchanting scrolls/tailored gear, and my bank alt posts random things like snatch list items. I still run into the problem on my scribe of having to visit the mailbox multiple times, however.

    What I do about this is post my glyphs for a longer duration(either 24/48 hours) then cancel and repost every so often. This way, instead of having 500 glyphs all expire and come back at once you cancel maybe 100 of them and repost.

    I use Postal to open all my mail with one click, so I just hit that and alt-tab while it retrieves everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles View Post
    How do you deal with the "retrieve from mail -> wait for mail refresh -> retrieve from mail -> walk to ah -> post on ah due to lack of bag space -> walk to mailbox -> retrieve from mail cycle? How much time do you spend reposting auctions? Do you have any other addons to assist with this? I spend 15 to 20 minutes in this cycle for 250-300 glyphs. I can't imagine taking that up to 2k posts.
    Maybe 5 minutes of in game time where I'm actually looking at the screen. The rest of the time I am working on something else while I am looting mail, posting, an cancelling. The only active parts for me are doing the 1 input per cancel/post with my scroll wheel and also walking back and forth between the auctioneer and the mailbox. I have my bags nearly entirely empty when I go to do this so that my active time is less. As an example, I am in the process of canceling and reposting right now, but while that is going on I'm researching how to import price information into excel.

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    Thanks EE, I've done the same with my different crafts, but I've found that my glyph and gem sales go down to nill when I don't repost at least twice a day. It sounds like everyone is dealing with the same thing I am, we're all just coping with it differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles View Post
    How do you deal with the "retrieve from mail -> wait for mail refresh -> retrieve from mail -> walk to ah -> post on ah due to lack of bag space -> walk to mailbox -> retrieve from mail cycle? How much time do you spend reposting auctions? Do you have any other addons to assist with this? I spend 15 to 20 minutes in this cycle for 250-300 glyphs. I can't imagine taking that up to 2k posts.
    I hear you on this. This is a huge time waster for me, as I have competition that refuses to quit and to make any money I need to be constantly cancelling and reposting. At night were talking about going back and forth for a few hours, 5-10 times I'll have to repost. I decided today while browsing to finally set up a scribe specific bank alt instead of my posting with my scribe. I figured if I put 4 - 36 slot scribe bags on him, plus the 20 default it'll give me 164 slots, which I can basically double since I do 2 of each glyph. This allows 326 glyph pickups from the mail at once (in a perfect situation). It should lower the time I have to spend watching over the game while opening and posting and create more alt-tab time.
    Fire Mage on low pop server.

    4/27/11 - 215k Liquid, 250k stock
    5/27/11 - 465k Liquid, 250kish stock

    Maxed professions - Enchanting, Jewelcrafting, Tailoring, Trans Alchemist,Engineering, Inscription

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    Exacly why I have multiple bankalts. One for gems, one for scrolls/gear/expensive stuff, one for glyphs and one for some recipes, pets and other junk.

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    I have two accounts, one which is mainly horde and one which is mainly alliance.
    I have two PC's, one which i recently bought and my old one which play wow adequately enough to be used for menial tasks and auctioning.
    As horde is my main faction and alliance is more a side project/expansion of my business i mainly play my horde account on my main PC while my alliance account is running on my old PC. Because of this i run two separate styles for mass auctioning.

    My horde side business i run similar to ExtremeEagle with generally having my crafters post their specific auctions and my 'main' seller dealing with any general auctions. Apart from making updating auctions a little easier as i can simply log a crafter, scan the AH and craft/post what is needed from there it also reduces a lot of the need to camp the mail box waiting for 100's of mails to open. The other advantage is if i am short on time it is much easier to choose what i wish to sort out.e.g. if i wish to do my gems only then i will log my JC have a few mails to open then recraft and post where as if i had a single character in all likelyhood i would have to sift through my mail box to obtain my JC auctions to repost them and sort out what would need recrafting.

    My alliance side, as i spend most of my alliance time only my old PC which is running while i play my main horde side, i have a single auction character and a dedicated GB with stocks of everything i sell. That single character posts everything i sell alliance side and as i keep a stockpile of goods to sell in the GB when i need to replenish i simply take them from there and periodically do a restock of my GB.
    I only use that system on my alliance side as i have it essentially running in the background so camping the mailbox for example is not really an issue and i can leave that character logged in pretty much constantly without taking away from anything else i am doing.

    When i had a single account and if i ran a single account again i would run the posting on multiple characters method as i found it the easiest and most flexible to organise around my none business playtime.

    Thanks EE, I've done the same with my different crafts, but I've found that my glyph and gem sales go down to nill when I don't repost at least twice a day. It sounds like everyone is dealing with the same thing I am, we're all just coping with it differently.
    Moving onto a subject i mention quite often....Have you tried working out how much gold per hour you earn from posting constantly and posting once.i.e. how much extra do you actually gain from camping the AH over posting at a prime time and is all that extra effort giving diminishing returns? Do you make more effort and gain less benefit from it?

    If your dealing in a lot of markets in particular this is more prominent than if your aiming to wring as much gold out of a single profession as possible. If you only deal in glyphs then camping the AH to gain more gold might be worth it to gain as much gold from it as fast as possible, but if you also deal in other things then camping the AH, while it may give you more gold from that specific market is dragging you away from other potentially more lucrative markets.

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    I've been considering charting my sales by time and day to see which are the most popular times for my server. Has anyone else done this? Is there an add-on that will track this for me?

 

 

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