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    Ripping people off...

    When is it ever ok to rip people off in trade?

    someone today was offering to by vols at 50% less then ah prices, and then tried to haggle me down...
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    I will be honest, I don't believe there is such thing as a rip off.

    There is NOTHING in this world (and in world of warcraft) that you absolutely NEED or MUST HAVE except for basic air, food, water, shelter, clothing... Maslow's Heirachy of Needs and Wants etc. Anything else you buy is purely up to you. Governments subsidize prices of basic goods that are essential for survival so they will never be at an unreasonable price.

    In World of Warcraft, anything you buy is a luxury, and the seller is purely providing you with a server, and funnily enough that service is usually then providing you with a good.

    The seller can put their price as high as they want. You are basically paying a premium for that good/service when it comes to that price. The prices of goods and services will be regulated by the basic demand and supply, the seller can raise their price as high as they want, but it does't necessarily mean people will buy it, or someone won't provide the good/service for a cheaper price.
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    I think that's a loaded term. What one person calls ripping off, another calls taking advantage of an opportunity. You could argue that everything listed in the deals and steals post is ripping someone off because they didn't know the real value of an item. If you offer to buy at 50% price in trade and someone takes you up on it, that's their prerogative. If you then haggle with the person, they can say no. Just because you've started negotiating a transaction doesn't mean you can walk away from the table.

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    hmmm....

    interesting thoughts, guess i'm just qq'ing about something that happened today
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    This topic seems to regularly arise. It's funny how auctioneers have such consciences, myself included.

    To me, a rip off is when one player abuses the trust of another, like making an agreement and reneging on it. An example of this would be offering to buy a competitors items through COD and then not sending the money and thus holding their items for a time. Another would be offering items in trade and when the player arrives to buy them at an agreed price, hiking the price up.

    Simply pricing items at high levels or snapping up cheap deals abuses no trust. Buyer and seller know the price and can make their own decisions.

    As an aside, what were you doing selling stuff at half the market price anyway?
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    Well, barking Buy offers hit the blogosphere (I forget where, though) yesterday in the form of a quick tip, so it's not altogether surprising to see a number of folks trying it out.

    I think there are far more sinister ways of ripping people off that barking a low buy offer - even it's followed by haggling. It's frustrating though, when folks presume that you're an idiot or that your time is worth so little, but at the end of the day, it's not personal, it's just business.

    The only rip-offs that I would consider morally objectionable are those deals that are intentionally deceptive - and then, it's not the deal that's wrong, but how it was done.
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    Cold and Gold Tipped both had detailed blog posts regarding barking in the last week.

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    An item is worth what someone will pay for it.

    A deal or a rip off is simply a personal perception.


    In tha case stated this is simple haggling which you should expect if dealing with people in person. If it was me in that situation and for example the price was 5g he offered to pay in trade then tried to offer 4g when i contacted him and i was up for a bit of fun i would have offered to sell at 6g. The lower he went the higher i would go.
    If i wasn't up for games i would simply say "5g take it or leave it, i'm doing you a favour not the other way around". I then wouldn't respond to anything they said unless they agreed to 5g. If they bored me i would put them on ignore.
    If you deal face to face you have to be hard and tough, know what you want and get it, don't let people mess you around.

    To be honest though your biggest mistake was offering to sell at such a low price anyway as it makes you seem deperate to sell and prime for some haggling down.

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    That's exactly what I'd do fluffy. I can't stand it when I agree a price with someone and they try to haggle a while after we've agreed. This is one of the reasons why I don't bother at all with trade anymore unless it's for single high price items or something I desperately need. There's just too many timewasters.
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    From my experience, most people are griefers. I have stopped barking in trade chat for things I want to sell and have even disabled Trade Forwarder. Just too much trolling for my in-game enjoyment as I already deal with folks on my 1 hour commute on the road.
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