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    Problem with suspect Bot glyph wallers

    So, I have a problem with bot glyph wallers on my server, I mean:

    https://eu.theunderminejournal.com/s...=C%C3%A2pslock

    https://eu.theunderminejournal.com/seller.php?realm=H-Sylvanas&seller=Catm%C3%B4ndu

    https://eu.theunderminejournal.com/seller.php?realm=H-Sylvanas&seller=Voodoosh%C3%AEft


    What do? It's pretty obvious to me they are bots, 10 glyphs, then 2 then 2 then 2 then 2

    It is like clockwork aswell, We all know if I report it blizzard will take around 6 months to take any action.

    I mean, it's not like I am small time on my server (made 500k last week) but, I cannot figure out a means to combat this and I don't really wanna try buying out all their stock, cos if the posting is botted, what's to say the supply/craft line isn't too?
    Last edited by Uniterguy; December 8th, 2012 at 11:22 PM.

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    I would go ahead and report them, and often. That definitely does not look like a player posting/reposting to me, unless they are like super methodical/boderline OCD. Until then I would stay out of the glyph market, it seems you are doing well in other avenues.
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    I just got rid of a botter by sending him a few thousand fishing poles. I saw him at the mail box all day a couple days ago. He hasn't posted any new auctions in 3 days since then : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sell View Post
    I just got rid of a botter by sending him a few thousand fishing poles. I saw him at the mail box all day a couple days ago. He hasn't posted any new auctions in 3 days since then : )
    That is hilarious.
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    This doesn't really look like a bot to me if you look at his post activity. A bot would be posting 24/7, this bot only posts once per day with good consistency. Posting 10, 2, 2, 2 walls like this is very easily done with TSM, he probably set up a few posting profiles and posted the wall with the highest price first. Although I question his 10 at 22g wall, I think he has done a very good job at walling the glyph market.

    You are very likely dealing with a non-bot.

    This means that reporting him won't work and filling his inventory or mail with leather balls or other junk will only result in you getting banned, so I wouldn't that like @Sell suggested. How you could break down his wall however is buying the cheap glyphs out and at the same time raising the price he pays for his herbs by buying out the cheap herbs, this will likely result in him not being able to keep his wall up, which results in sales for you.

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    if it is not a bot I think he is very very meticulous then, He also used to undercut a lot during the day, I figure at the moment it could be scare tactics on his part to try and reclaim the market from all the new people trying to start in it and still be a bot but with 5 profiles all with a threshold of like 500g or something dumb, and custom post settings when over fallback, that would explain the walling to me if it was a bot. To me it looks either like 2+people or a bot, no one can have that much time to never miss a posting session

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrildar View Post
    This doesn't really look like a bot to me if you look at his post activity. A bot would be posting 24/7, this bot only posts once per day with good consistency. Posting 10, 2, 2, 2 walls like this is very easily done with TSM, he probably set up a few posting profiles and posted the wall with the highest price first. Although I question his 10 at 22g wall, I think he has done a very good job at walling the glyph market.

    You are very likely dealing with a non-bot.

    This means that reporting him won't work and filling his inventory or mail with leather balls or other junk will only result in you getting banned, so I wouldn't that like @Sell suggested. How you could break down his wall however is buying the cheap glyphs out and at the same time raising the price he pays for his herbs by buying out the cheap herbs, this will likely result in him not being able to keep his wall up, which results in sales for you.
    Hi, i happen to play on the same realm as the OP /wave Uniterguy. The guy he's talking about has been walling the glyph market for at least an year and a half. Resetting the market didn't work. He did reset the prices to 400g on probably every big patch, but apart from those few patch days he always crashed the market.
    The heat map looks quite empty atm, but it used to be almost full (if you added up all the three chars). The only thing i could do was to whitelist him and hope he doesn't blacklist me.
    Last edited by Marahdeka; December 9th, 2012 at 12:30 PM.

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    I can also confirm this guy been doing this for the whole Cataclysm, and still does now. I used to sell glyphs on this server before he started, even since it been close to impossible to sell glyphs at a decent price.

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    I've never understood, what is the reasoning behind posting at multiple prices? In this guy's case, multiples at 22g, 40g, 60g, 80g, and 100g?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticus View Post
    I've never understood, what is the reasoning behind posting at multiple prices? In this guy's case, multiples at 22g, 40g, 60g, 80g, and 100g?
    A glyph wall (or any other wall), typically exists of two components: The low wall and the high wall. In this case the low wall would be at 22g and the high walls would be at 40g, 60g, 80g, 100g. The goal of the low wall is scaring off competition or tricking their TSM into not posting. Competition is likely to stop posting if they constantly think there is no profit to made if the prices are at rock bottom.

    The high walls are there however if the low wall gets breached, if there are enough buyers to buyout all glyphs at this price. In the case the competition posted with TSM or any other addon it is likely they didn't post at all or posted at fallback. In this case there should be nothing posted between the low walls and the high walls, which means he will get some profit from a few glyph sales. The last layer of the high walls is usually called the fallback wall.

    If you keep this wall up and all layers of the wall are at good prices and have good sizes the wall will scare off all competition while at the same time still being sustainable, giving a small profit or a small loss.

    What I would suggest doing to counter this (although I believe this has already been tried, reading above posts) is buying out his low wall. The low wall only costs 220g per glyph to buyout. So this would be around 50k to buyout this wall. If the wall isn't looking or if he has no additional stock this will give you a couple of days to sell glyphs at a profit.
    Another option is to build a smaller wall just below his. If you do this he will have to loot around 7000 glyphs every day from his AH without any sales, thats a good 140 minutes for the waller to empty his mailbox. Doing this for a good while might burn him out as he will see lots of mails without any gold in them. But if this player is really botting then this will obviously have little to no effect on him.

    If you really can't get rid of this player I would suggest rethinking if this market is really worth the effort for you. Sylvanas is a good realm and with the amount of the PvE going on I think you can see more profits when spending the same time in other markets. So moving on to other markets might be the best option for you, sadly.

 

 
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