Yet another DMF thread :)

[Peterfried]

So, upcoming DMF 3rd of February 2013.

This is my first time in this market, entering slowly and cautious enough to ask for some advice, and what strategies are you on at the current state of the game!

I have a completed oxen deck, hope to get 1 more till the DMF starts.
I read from a wind trader that DMF is the right period to buy and not sell decks and trinkets, while others say the oposite. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance.


PS: If you think this is an overdiscussed subject feel free to lock it and point me to another thread, np.

[jimmyolsenblues]

@Peterfried, I understand where you are coming from , as at first decks are overwhelming at first.
Everyone makes mistakes, and I will just give you my opinion as best I can, keep in mind another person may disagree with me 100%.

1) Always deal in trinkets , get rid of decks asap. People buy a trinket when they are trying to gear up and those are the people willing to pay the most.
2) Sorry about the oxen deck , it does not sell the best, but keep making cards and keep barking , try to trade for cards you need to complete other decks. Get to know the other salesmen, be honest say here I need these cards and I am willing to trade not buy.
3) As an eye ball test, for example.... if green tea leaf sells 50g a stack, then 10 stacks are 500g, with 10 stacks on average gives 5 starlight inks and 50 ink of dreams which you can trade in for 5 more starlight inks...so on average a card costs me 500g, 8 cards plus 3 ink of dreams per scroll, say 4250g-4500g on average..at worst say the deck costs you 5k...you can still sell that deck all day all night at 15k..maybe as much as 25k-40k depending on your server, great profit.
4) To keep you in business sell some inscription enchants/glyphs and you will make money every step of the way with inscription.

Good luck , experience is the best teacher and we all make mistakes, the bigger the mistake the better the lesson.

[Peterfried]

Thanks for your reply!

Hm, I see.

So, when DMF hits I buy the trinkets using the combined cards (decks) and try and sell these instead of the decks. In the meantime I try to complete other decks too by trading cards. I was focused on selling the cards instead of the actual trinkets - misleaded by people selling [ X Deck ] on /2 and a bit confused about the best time to do that.


[offtopic] Hehe, it's ok about the oxen deck, I just had more cards of that deck randomly created - I'' ll try and sell it though, will see how it goes!
Also I am already in the glyph market 3-4 days now. There is some competition and had to properly set up TSM crafting (some mistakes here and there), but i' ve managed to net 10k during this time. [/offtopic]

[jimmyolsenblues]

When you complete a deck its like a quest, you accept the quest and turn it in at the darkmoon faire and they give you a trinket...as you walk up to auction house you can say /2 Putting on ah for 16k, but I will sell it right now for 14k buy it now or else it will gone by the weekend...please and thanks..... . You might get a bite you might not...but it is free advertising, people know its there, if there are in a guild and a tank is needed for a raid, someone could say,,hey its on the ah for 16k ...who knows....

Just keep plugging away inscription is a long term war, you get up , you empty your mailbox, you post, you craft what is needed, you buy herbs all day long on the free remote auciton house on your mobile phone, you roll a second account just to see what is selling cross faction.... no one made a million over night,,,but if you keep trying , keep fighting ,,, you will make gold.

[UtesDad]

My best advice is to identify the cards which seem to be the roadblocks to completing a deck and watch for them like a hawk.

For example, I have 4 sets of Tiger cards waiting for a 7 of Tigers to complete the deck. That card is always the highest price, most in-demand card on my server. Casual scribes just looking to complete a deck or two won't know this and will often do a 1:1 trade for the card they want. I give them a card I have multiple copies of and I get the 7 Tigers in return.

@jimmyolsenblues is right. DMCs are a long term commitment. Once you're in, you'll be in for most of the expansion.

[Zerohour]

Another tip: Identify the short supply cards for each desired deck and keep them off the auction house all week. Best to buy them out the week before and begin the process of trading for them early. By doing this you create a shortage. By week's end you can command a premium from trade for these or sell them on the AH as people become desperate to complete decks. Works like a charm, I did this during Wrath and it takes practice to master it.

Using API sites like TUJ or Wowuction will greatly assist you in determining who may have what so you can accurately predict which card may be in short supply for the week. You could approach them directly and just ask to make some trades for the one card you're looking to monopolize.

Why this is fun: You have 1/32 odds of making specific cards so that means the odds are very low that people will be able to replenish their supply at all. When you remove them from the economy, this gives you an advantage in making new decks for the month, while also allowing you the ability to dominate other traders. Since each Scribe is now capped by daily CDs and forced SOH farming (of which most spots are no longer available), you create a fictitious rarity. This has worked for years.

Edit: Yes, this is an old tactic, but needs repeated since the OP is jumping in for the first time.

[Shodokan]

The DMF market is completely dependent on your server. On Tich-Alliance I have 45 scribes which over the last 3 months has gold capped me 3 times. Now that herbs are so few and far between that I can't get the required mats to make the process profitable and worth the selling time (the longest part).

Anyway. The cost to make a deck for most people is 6k, and a majority of the decks sell for 8-10k for me at the moment.

The best thing to do is to buy double the amount of herbs you need (as long as they are under 31g per stack), process them and sell the shoulder enchants you can make on a scribe and then use the higher ink on cooldowns (your own or bought). Making your own cards and not simply buying cheap ones from the AH though is random and sometimes it is hard to get rid of excess cards. You need to buy a very large sample size to make it worth making the cards (around 400) and that will cost you about 80k.

I've sold close to 500 decks/trinkets total and the process can be monotonous. The undercutting for these items can be quite fierce to the point where i'd just sell via trade for the AH value minus like 2k since I was dealing in bulk.

IMO it is a very unforgiving market, and if it didn't cost me nearly nothing to do in the first place I wouldn't have gotten into the market.

[stash4cash]

Making your own cards and not simply buying cheap ones from the AH though is random and sometimes it is hard to get rid of excess cards. You need to buy a very large sample size to make it worth making the cards (around 400) and that will cost you about 80k.

Could you explain those sentences again? Maybe im tired but i dont get the point.

But i would like to add, dont worry about exec cards. Just save them for the next deck because you will probably get caught.
With just some patience, proper planning and some knowledge of the market this can make you loads of money really easy.

Its just easy math - what is the cost to assemble a deck? What is the expected price for a finished trinket?
Just look Wowuction and you can have a pretty good expectation (and look closely at how much the price will fall for every month)

[Peterfried]

Excellent advice from everyone!
Like I imagined there are so many things I wouldn't have thought on my own!

This is my first crafting profession despite the fact that I am playing this game since late TBC, so yeah, even the obvious or old strategies help me - and many others I believe - a lot.

The process of making and trading the cards feels nice at the moment, so much better than farming and skinning for hours .
Having in mind that I will probably never get my inscription in such a large scale like you all, and reading the last phrase of Shodokan (43 scribes impressive!),

IMO it is a very unforgiving market, and if it didn't cost me nearly nothing to do in the first place I wouldn't have gotten into the market.

would you say that pursuing this market in a lower scale worth the time spent ? -Generally speaking, I m still going in


Thank you guys! Always interested in hearing more of course!

[Caitlyn]

would you say that pursuing this market in a lower scale worth the time spent ? -Generally speaking, I m still going in

Even at low levels of participation, DMF can be a very profitable market IF you are being wise about your herb purchasing and IF you are actively trading for cards that you need. I think you'll do fine! It does require patience and you do need to learn timing -- when is it best to try to move your trinkets; when is it advisable to sell a few individual cards, when do you want to bark trinkets over trade chat vs. sell on AH, etc. But you're getting good advice here, and it sounds like you've built a good foundation for yourself.