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    Cataclysm Undercutting/Glyph Wall - from 100 to 30000.

    I do have to say, thank you for bringing my into the knowing of TSM. I went in three short weeks from 100g to 30k... until recently. I've noticed a few names of a few AHbots, and AH Campers that I finally have the lovely chance of fighting with.

    I have one person, on a throwaway Lv 85 toon druid simply undercutting my glyphs by 1c, shocker, and is on roughly 24h a day. Anytime I login... he's on unless near 9p-10p. Unfortunately this is after peak time so it kills any sales. He's recently seen me AH Camping and has actively been working to do what he can by AH Camping.

    Today I began Glyph Walling him to kill the market down to making about 10g per glyph but he's being aggressive and still undercutting by 1c. I've driven out the bots but this guy seriously doesn't want to give up. Any suggestions?

    Edit: I've also noted I get disconnected quite a bit when I'm doing this... don't know if he's doing something to force that but it's always when I begin to undercut him.
    Last edited by Halofield; October 24th, 2011 at 08:30 PM.

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    Can you craft all Glyphs? Can he craft all Glyphs? I have read alot on these forums that some think its a very bad idea to wall in glyphs im guessing its because once a person has those glyphs he is set and will never need to re-buy. I've not touched glyphs on my server due to a war between two sellers both them walling each other. I did however read these articles perhaps they will help > Foo's WoW musings: What to do with that camper? and The Gold Mint: Dealing with obsessive campers also http://criticalgoblin.blogspot.com/2...yphs.html#more
    Last edited by Lemmonade; October 25th, 2011 at 12:19 AM.

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    You have a few options here, firstly stick it out, increase the wall, bring it down to 5 gold a glyph and try and find his threshold; that should give you an indication of where he's getting his supply, try and locate some of the farmers on your server, do it by doing a /who of people in Uldum, Twilight Highlands etc and /wing something like "Hi there, sorry to bother you but I was just wondering if you farm herbs? I'm looking for a reliable supplier.", 1/5 people normally bite and out of those 1/10 is a farmer worth keeping. This would be a war of attrition; you'd be making a loss in the short term but one would hope that after a few weeks or perhaps a month the seller would leave the market; for all you know he's using WoW as a rl money making just selling his weekly glyph profits so he may be reluctant to give them up, or simply too greedy to be able to afford the reduced prices, forcing himself out of the market. You could alternatively try and contact him, try and find out a bit about him, ask if he'd be interested in buying out your glyphs for a lower price because you want to leave the market because he's too much competition to handle; and see what happens there - you could always start posting glyphs again from another toon if he bites but it's not very common. You could try and see if he uses any other markets and strangle them, if he's creating Darkmoon Decks with the excess burning embers he mills then you could drive down the prices or try and seize control of the volatile life market. Finally, you can cut your losses and leave the market, and try to find something more profitable; glyphs are a great money maker but not exactly the motherload, particularly when your server has another glyph baron that's already fully operational. Hope this helps.

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    This has been asked and answered a few times but here goes :

    - Wall at a threshold so low that you are still comfortable with it ( i.e. you still get enough money for your time crafting it ) with 48 hour auctions.
    - Go do something else

    You can go down the hole and try to be as agressive as he is, but if he is willing to go below your thresholds it means either he is getting his mats cheaper or he is trying to scare you away ( which he wont ) and/or his goods are botted so everything is pure profit to him. The latter case you really cant beat, but assuming not the worst case scenario, he can camp glyphs at 1g profit for a ton of work, well then gg for him, you keep one guy busy all day making 200 gold which you can earn in 20 mins doing firelands dailies - or just one other really good auction house sale taking up 1 min of your time.

    Edit : the only thing you need to make sure of your walls dont have a hole in it so he can recover by listing high agian.
    If he buys you out, just mail him if he wants more , then post more - this is one of the most demoralizing things you can get as a camper.
    Last edited by Belmorn; October 25th, 2011 at 07:03 AM.

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    Subtle trick: get him to spend even more time and become more obsessive than you/he already is . Instead of a brute force, mindless glyph wall, make some precision strikes against his business and see how he responds. Throwing up a massive glyph wall at a low price, IMO, send the message "I'm desperate, and I know that I need to do something about this but I have no idea what to do".

    My advice would be to pick a few of the better selling glyphs (minor glyphs are a great place to look since there aren't usually many options for each spec) and reset them. Then, see what he does. If he's not paying attention, you might be able to give yourself a nice window to jump on some hot selling glyphs while he worries about restocking. If he is paying attention - measure his response. That will give you more information about how to proceed.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - I believe that at least 90% of all scribes are "doing it wrong", so I firmly believe there is much opportunity to be had in the inscription market.

    Hope that helps
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    Report him. Copy the guy's TUJ URL into the report. Aside from, just keep doing what you're doing. The money will suck for ahwile, but you won't see any new competition, and a few other guys will bail. once this guy leaves or gets banned, you'll be golden.
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    Cataclysm

    Thank you all for your input.

    I've found reporting him won't do anything because I did find according to his TUJ he is rarely on after a point when I'm still on to undercut so I can make sure all overnight sales he compete with. (Made 4k last night doing this)

    He is there but I think he's also got the remote Auction House which I don't want to get myself since I'm online enough. He does log back in, and then goes back and forth as I make life hell for him because as soon as I see him, I'm delisting my glyphs and he targets me as I /smile him and he knows as soon as he goes to the AH NPC I'm waiting him out.

    Some notes I've found in doing this:
    He is on a throwaway Lv 85, due to missing items in slots, and lack of activity on his armory.
    He has max Scribing, but does NOT have all the recipes which benefits me since I'm maxed out with all known recipes.
    He will only undercut by 1c, even by glyph walling him so I did effectively ruin a good chunk of his GPH.
    He is buying his materials only on the AH so he doesn't have a supplier. I've got three messages out with the people I see toss a huge amount out and awaiting a reply from them with a chance to make gold and have a direct line of materials incoming.
    He's on a well known guild in my server so I think he's either benched with the amount of time he has to play the AH, or he's a family member, possibly a younger one due to the same time he logs off each day so it effectively labels him an AH Camper.

    Now keep in mind, I am very casual and I will pop online to check my profs and see what markets I can attack so I can make sure that my AFK time is spent crafting or doing something so when I come back full time I have one HELL of a piggy bank for my many alts. ( I believe in getting my own materials as I feel better about it when it's something I completely did. )

    I'm finding AH PvP is alive and kicking because an added benefit I did by Glyph Walling yesterday is a drove out 3 other glyph posters immediately while this one individual is really... sticking to it. But the main factor... I'm having fun. I actually have more gold then I did 3 weeks ago, or ever honestly... and it just involved sticking to my guns, being aggressive and I think when I make a goal of 100k I'll let you all know when I hit it! ...maybe after a Bike purchase for my up and coming warlock. Gotta treat myself to controlling the market for three weeks without competition.

    Edit: Knocked it down to a profitable wall and I already see him hesitating. He posted a few down to 1c under my 'wall' but a good chunk of the other glyphs he's hestiating on. But he might also find out a good chunk of the AH Herbs are oddly missing... I wonder how that happened...

    Edit2: There is no one actively in the Darkmoon card business. Think it's time to change that.

    Edit3: I got a few guildmates spamming him with Leather Balls and Fun little toys to clog up his inventory. Thankfully in my OTHER guild so it cant be traced back too easily but hopefully he'll get the message. I found some of my glyphs aren't needing walled because he can't make em so I still got those under control.
    Last edited by Halofield; October 25th, 2011 at 03:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathroman View Post
    Throwing up a massive glyph wall at a low price, IMO, send the message "I'm desperate, and I know that I need to do something about this but I have no idea what to do".
    I dont agree here. Sure it shouldnt be a mindless wall, if you know you priced it well its a signal of : If you dont wanna share, then have fun with the small crums of the cake, but Ill go do something giving me more GPH than this crap you pulling on me. You say its not knowing what to do ? Sure I guess, but there really isnt a magic answer to camper other then trying to cut his resources ( not always possible ) , wall him low ( make his life miserable for all the effor the puts in ) and sting sting sting whenever you have time. Im not talking about walling below profit ratio which you can do , but any good auctioneer just posts at his own thresholds/fallback then and just waits it out. Have fun selling at a loss, Im out of there .... cya in 6 hours.

    I agree its only the first step to take, but it depends also on how much time you have, throwing up your wall takes 10 mins, if you have more then sure do some more secure searching on glyphs that can easily be reset - although I gotta say I rarely do this as Im in pretty much all markets and that plus four raids a week is kinda taking all my time on a non off day.

    To the OP : if someone would throw my bags full Id just vendor sell them or even better, put them in a group on TSM and let it hit AH automatically.
    After filling my bags 3-4 times ( I have A LOT of space after dumping all my goods ) Im fairly sure you get tired of your 5 mins of fun for 30 mins of effort. Needless to say you lose money on it, so imo its only effective against 100% bots who cant handle inventory spam and then log off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmorn View Post
    I dont agree here. Sure it shouldnt be a mindless wall, if you know you priced it well its a signal of : If you dont wanna share, then have fun with the small crums of the cake, but Ill go do something giving me more GPH than this crap you pulling on me. You say its not knowing what to do ? Sure I guess, but there really isnt a magic answer to camper other then trying to cut his resources ( not always possible ) , wall him low ( make his life miserable for all the effor the puts in ) and sting sting sting whenever you have time.
    Don't take this the wrong way, but that's exactly my point. You've oversimplified your strategy way too much - there's plenty of options here, involving many
    more factors than you've listed. Also, what exactly would a "well-priced wall" look like? What makes it any different from a regular wall?

    Quote Originally Posted by Belmorn View Post
    ...but any good auctioneer just posts at his own thresholds/fallback then and just waits it out.
    What about this makes him "good". To make a generalization, there are 2 types of people: those who wait for things to happen and react, and those who go out and make things happen and act. I'd always rather be proactive than reactive. To see an auctioneer sitting around, waiting for his luck to change - I'm sorry but "good" wouldn't be the first thing that popped into my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belmorn View Post
    throwing up your wall takes 10 mins, if you have more then sure do some more secure searching on glyphs that can easily be reset - although I gotta say I rarely do this as Im in pretty much all markets and that plus four raids a week is kinda taking all my time on a non off day.
    I'm not sure why resetting glyphs is taking longer than 10 minutes, but it shouldn't be. We likely have a different approach, but running through a "Glyph of" auctioneer search only takes me a minute or two, tops.
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    Found out more info by a guildie talkin to him:

    He dual boxes, one to actually play, the other one to literally sit there and do a Constant AH Camping/Cancel check. I did bring a wall down to 25g initially... he undercut but then I tossed it down to 15g... and he started buying me out. What would be the best option at this point?

    The other thing is he's instantly undercutting within 5 minutes of anyone posting. I got in touch with one of my glyph market competitors and we're actually teaming up to go after him. Problem is if this guy is seriously just AH Camping with this toon while he dual boxes... how do you fight that?
    Last edited by Halofield; October 25th, 2011 at 10:01 PM.

 

 

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