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    Lots of questions about coming back

    Hey guys! I just got back into WoW 2 weeks ago and just found out about this forum about a week ago. I quit about a year ago and pretty much had complete control of the glyph market on my server when I left. Now I'm getting back into the game and I'm having to relearn everything about the AH and server prices all over again! I've got my JC and Inscrip up to 500 so I can do dailies and now I'm trying to figure out the best way to get back into these markets.

    I bought a bunch of low-level herbs to mill and make glyphs so I'm doing some deep undercutting to try to crash the glyph market. Many glyphs are 400g+ and that's ridiculous. I'm thinking of going the high-volume/low-cost way of making money that worked in Wrath; does this still work in Cata due to the permanence of glyphs? Or have you guys found that simply undercutting and sharing the market is the best way to make money?

    As for JC, what is the best way to find out the profitable cuts? I'm looking at TUJ but I haven't quite figured out how to best use it. TUJ seems to be listing BOE recipes and not the JC daily recipes. Do you guys have advice?

    Finally, I created a snatch list on TUJ and have scored the following:

    schematic: hyper-radiant flame reflector
    pattern: boots of blasting
    formula: major resistance
    pattern: core felcloth bag

    I understand that these are rare but I don't know the best way to go about selling them. Do you advertise them in trade? I'm worried about tipping people off to my schemes by advertising. But I doubt they'll get the exposure they need via AH. Also, how do you guys go about generating values for these? TUJ data is misleading because they're so rare and are so frequently sold for little gold. How do you find buyers and how do you set prices?

    TLDR; How to best get into the glyph market? Market crashing or market sharing?
    How to determine which JC daily recipes to get first?
    How to find buyers and determine values for rare enchants/patterns?

    Thanks for your help guys! I'm loving these forums; I've read through almost all of the quality guides, I've set up TSM, I've starting using TUJ, I've generated a snatch list, etc. None of these resources were available to me back when I played in Wrath so I'm super excited at the possibilities open now! This is a great community!

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    On selling the rare items/formulas, just put them in a group in an addon so you don't have to do it manually everytime (such as Tradeskill Master). Use The Undermine Journal (website) for ideas on what range should be used for pricing purposes. With glyphs just share the market; you aren't going to effect the major players in the market whatsoever by trying to crash it. When deciding what gem designs to purchase the factors are 1) availability of the materials at a price you are willing to purchase at (either via the auction house or ore you prospect) 2) frequency with which the cut will sell 3) market price of that gem at that moment in time. You can use the auction house for criteria 1 & 3 and WoW Popular to try and approximate criteria 2.

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    One of your biggest helps and best time investments will be learning to use TradeskillMaster addon. This really is a must have for any serious gold maker.

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    I don't understand why people 'crash' markets, especially when they have no current knowledge of it. Those glyphs could be selling perfectly well at 400g. Why destroy that?

    People do it on my server too, I notice it a lot with scrolls. I'm not suddenly going to just stop posting them, it just means everyone loses out on profit (I haven't noticed any major increase in sales when the price drops).

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    I messed around with crashing my server's glyph market a few weeks back. Nothing really came of it, I just sold a crap-ton of glyphs for cheap. I'm still not completely sure if it was because of how cheap the glyphs were, or if it was more because I was selling a greater variety. I took a break from glyphs for a bit, and just recently got back to it. I'm noticing most of my sales are from glyphs below 100g. Again, I'm not quite certain if that's because those are the more popular ones, or if it's because of price. Or maybe I just don't have many up for above 100g. I'm really bad at glyphs My ramblings aside, I'd suggest scoping the market at the current prices. Set up TSM, make your glyphs, see if they sell at the current prices. If sales are really slow, go ahead and "crash" the market. Just a word of warning, Cata herbs are becoming exceedingly cheap, so even selling glyphs at 30g tends to be decent profit.

    As for JC, wow-popular is going to be your best resource for figuring out what cuts to get. Find the popular ones, and compare the going prices among them. Most of the popular cuts from LK are still the best to get (e.g. all the primary stat Infero Ruby cuts).

    For snatches, some advertising isn't a terrible idea, but the people who want them are going to be looking for them, and thus they'll be checking out the AH.
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    Thanks for the responses guys! TSM truly has been a great addon! I've set it up for the glyphs and it's been so much better than skillet/auctioneer/quick auctions. I've set up TSM by following Sinshroud's thread and it's been great!

    What data range do you use on TUJ to determine prices? I see 1) Market price, 2) Mean, 3) US Horde Market, 4) US Horde mean. I wonder how reliable the data is for these rare auctions. Do you guys know better ways to find out approximate value for these rare enchants?

    Tantrum--the goal of crashing markets is to post glyphs at a price where you are still making money and to make money by frequency of sales. You won't sell 400g glyphs, but you can sell 10 40g glyphs pretty easily. And if you go low enough hopefully you can force some competitors to flee.

    Thank you guys for the link to Wowpopular! That seems like another great site.

    So what data ranges do you guys use on TUJ to determine prices for rare recipes/patterns/enchants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

    Tantrum--the goal of crashing markets is to post glyphs at a price where you are still making money and to make money by frequency of sales. You won't sell 400g glyphs, but you can sell 10 40g glyphs pretty easily. And if you go low enough hopefully you can force some competitors to flee.
    God this attitude irritates me. This is not the WotLK any more. Glyphs are a single use item now days. Once it is learnt that alt is never coming back. Days of having stacks of glyphs on hand to swap out glyphs mid raid are well and truly gone.

    It is a fallacy that you will sell 10x the ammount of glyphs if you tank The prices to 40g. With TSM no serious goblin will leave the market when a new comer tanks the market. They will have their thresholds set up and will just post at their cost plus a small percentage. All you have done is screwed every ones GPH.

    Learn to play nice and be happy with the occasional sale at 400g. It is a hell of a lot less time consuming than milling the herbs. if you want to play the glyph business then learn your competitors posting behavior and try to post after they have logged off.

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    Sorry about the rant. My server has had three episodes of people tanking the prices in recent months. My sale volume doesn't change a great deal - just my GPH goes way down. The build up time and wind down time of inscription is so long that you aren't going to force a goblin out of the market. It would take months for me to sell all of the glyphs I have on my inscription Alts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphy View Post

    What data range do you use on TUJ to determine prices? I see 1) Market price, 2) Mean, 3) US Horde Market, 4) US Horde mean. I wonder how reliable the data is for these rare auctions. Do you guys know better ways to find out approximate value for these rare enchants?

    So what data ranges do you guys use on TUJ to determine prices for rare recipes/patterns/enchants?
    Look at the prices on TUJ and look at your server history. If that item has been absent for a long time then aim as high as you can. I commonly sell my recipes for the upper limit of TUJ pricing. Your market are those completitionist who will stop at nothing to get that recipe.

    If other recipes are on the market then the price has been set for you

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    Which gems to get first?

    http://www.wowpopular.com/Gems

    Start with red, then orange/purple, blue, etc.

    Brilliant Inferno Ruby
    Reckless Ember Topaz
    Purified Demonseye
    Solid Ocean Sapphire
    Quick Amberjewel
    Puissant Dream Emerald

    Then I would pickup more of the red patterns (Bold Inferno Ruby, Delicate Inferno Ruby) and see if you can Alchemy transmute. Red gems move faaaaaaaast.

 

 

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