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    Darkmoon Faire, decks vs cards

    Alliance mean prices from TUJ:
    • Hurricane Card 14700g / Hurricane Deck 11700g / Hurricane Diff. 3000g --> 20.4% price difference
    • Earthquake Card 7100g / Earthquake Deck 5800g / Earthquake Diff. 1300g --> 18.3% price difference
    • Tsunami Card 22300g / Tsunami Deck 19300g / Tsunami Diff. 3000g --> 13.5% price difference
    • Volcano Card 15600g / Volcanic Deck 12400g / Volcano Diff. 3200g --> 20.5% price difference



    From what I've read on this forum, its best to trade cards for decks while the faire is in town, and swap em all in for cards the last day of the faire.

    These prices I took from TUJ is average prices, they dont take into account the price variations from faire to faire.
    Could someone please explain to me how it works?
    Here is my guess;
    • The supply for cards are definitly higher when the faire is in town.
    • This leads to prices going down for the cards, and up for the decks.
    • When the faire leaves town, the prices of decks plummet, while card prices goes up


    Is this a fair assumption?

    What I am wondering is this;
    • Does the deck prices ever go above the card prices? If so, how much above?
    • How much do you take/pay for trading a card for a deck when the faire is in town?
    • How many decks of each type do you dare to keep in stock between faires?
    • Do you sell cards or decks, and when do you sell what?



    p.s. Yes, I should probably have read some guides on the matter, but I just started milling one stack..that turned into 10 stacks, and suddenly I had 4 decks sitting in my inventory with no real knowledge about how this darkmoon faire deck/card business works D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sponsor View Post
    What I am wondering is this;
    • Does the deck prices ever go above the card prices? If so, how much above?
    • How much do you take/pay for trading a card for a deck when the faire is in town?
    • How many decks of each type do you dare to keep in stock between faires?
    • Do you sell cards or decks, and when do you sell what?
    This post answered many of my questions. Some quotes below that helped me understand the ups and downs of DMF alot.
    “/2 WTT Darkmoon Cards w/me for info.” is your favourite line of text for a couple of days
    single cards. These cards will not sell outside of the DMF, and I just put them in the bank or make some undercutting gamble with them.
    Single cards can be extremely cheap at the end of the fair. If a seller like me already made +100.000 profit they might not care for the last 1-2k extra.
    Selling cards is VERY time consuming, and you wan’t to deside if you want to move some cards with good profit or a lot of cards with less profit. In the first DMF I used more then 18 hours in the tradechannel to sell 15-16 cards. I can be very very painful and very boring, but it’s still very profitable.
    I wish I knew about the time aspect of the selling before I started my milling frenzy :P
    GL – I myself already have 350 in stock for 4th DMF, and I’m aiming for at least 1.500 = 150 cards
    Below is some nice answers I found in the same thread, please check out that thread and give some rep to those guys
    I sell my decks on the ah at the prices I set. During this last fair I sold 0 decks/trinkets. There were far too many weekend warriors driving the prices down since they could turn in new decks whenever their trinkets sold. I only sold my singles and if I was the only one selling the card it was gonna cost you 10k. I picked the 10k number because people are desperate during the fair and end up willing to pay almost any price to complete their deck in time and also because I wanted my competition to have to pay through the nose if they wanted another complete deck. The majority of my cards sold during the fair were in the 3.5-6k price range.
    Darkmoon trinkets shouldn't be treated like any other infinite resource because it's not. Once your sold out you are done for the month. You need to price your product so that you can maximize your return and still sell all your trinkets before the next faire.
    The first few days the price level is very high. As days go by the prices on both AH and in the trades are dropping. Thats one of the reasons I’m pushing pretty hard in trade the first days of the DMF. (The prices on single cards also drop significantly when people are “done” with their deck crafting. Then they deside not to make any more cards, they have a tendency to just dump the rest on AH)

    So, to sum up what I've learned;
    -Singles sell well during the last part of the faire, since people are eager to complete their decks before its impossible to turn them into trinkets.
    -Single prices crash the first day after the faire, this is a nice time to underprice your singles if there are many @ ah, in hopes of someone auto-undercutting you, and then pick them up for dirtcheap(stay away from "of Stones")
    -Trinket prices are best the week before the faire, and the first day of the faire, but they will fall rapidly during the faire.
    -Decks, I would imagine, sell best during the faire. But as I found @ TUJ, the deck prices are 13-20% lower than the trinkets on average.
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    I just wanted to verify that it is more profittable to sell the trinkets rather than they decks? Or are the decks more profitable on the first day?

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    Generally speaking you'll usually have better luck with the trinkets because of the amount of people who only look for gear by searching for armor/weapons/trinkets and have no clue the decks even exist.

    The only time I can think of that I would rather have the decks is if you can get hooked up with someone farming DMF rep. You can trade them your decks for their completed trinkets + whatever they wanna do in exchange for the rep.

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    Usually market is flooded with these cheap cards, i would rather buy cards out from ah and make decks, than mill, make inks, turn everything to inferno inks and make cards then sell them. Make full decks, i know it requires time and capital to get alot of herbs and inks to make these decks if you dont want to do shitloads of trading. I quit this bussiness after making more than 250 cards. Did some nice profit but i think its so time consuming and luck based (getting something you need to traded for something you have) and especially when the trinket prices even in tsunami has dropped all around 8-15k. I dont find this worth of time. But i would rather sell TRINKETS than decks or cards.

    in start of the expansion i used to sell 2k per card. Didnt need to make trading or worry about having some ''special'' card which i need x3 to complete 3 decks, and ah happens to have 2 of them for 6k gold and everyone are needing it at the same moment you are.

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    I had one guy who refused to trade me his deck for a card+gold so I could get rep with DMF. He claimed it would be easier to sell the unturned in deck since everyone who wants a trinket wants the rep, so I guess you get all types...
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    Everyone who collect rep, usually buy few decks, turn them and then trade trinkets for decks + give some fee usually 100g-200g

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    There are two trends at work.

    When the DMF is not in town, there is a finite number of trinkets to buy; the ones people turned in the prior DMFs. No amount of herbs, milling and card swapping can create a trinket until the next fair.

    DM decks are declining in value; they were listed for 100,000 (or some vast sum) on Dec 9th and dropping each fair. 4.1 with new trinkets will continue to put pressure on these.

    So say you have a 15,000 (to use as example ) deck during the fair.
    My guess is that the trinket from that deck will sell for more than 15,000 between fairs. And that deck will sell for less than 15,000 next fair. And that is the tightrope you are walking.

    And if you care about rep, why deal with 10,000 gold decks that could drop in value when 500g will buy you a Northrend deck and you can get rogues decks for 40g for smaller rep. Unless you do the stand by the vendor and turn them in plan ofc.

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    So, atm I have acquired 3x, 2x, 2x and 1x. I only lack one single card to complete one more, and one single card to complete another .

    How would you proceed knowing the faire comes to town tomorrow?

    (Seeing how hard it is to sell Earthquake Decks/trinkets, should I sell the single cards of Stone? ..or buy a single card to make the complete earthquake deck and try to sell it? ..or get the Earthquake trinket and sell it?)

    How low would you estimate the floor AH price of each deck if you bought every whiptail for 45g a stack? (I know Earthquake sells at a loss, but what about the others?)
    Every friday I post some statistics on what/how much I've sold the last week; MySales Weekly Statistics
    Are you prepared to supply those pets in 4.1.0? Check out my full list of sellable pets, and their rarity
    If you wonder how you can optimize your goldmaking with addons, look no further!

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    Post 14 of this thread has a nice little graph of costs on average, 45g a stack of whiptail you could almost DE the decks and make money :P

 

 

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