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    Question How do you move on?

    Hello there, been lurking here and there reading various good tips from these forums for a short while. I've always been interested in how the Auction House works and over time I've slowly learned to avoid making mistakes and be smarter with how I sell what I have.

    One problem I face is that I simply can't make it take "less time". I'm a fairly vague and forgetful person - focusing is not my forte. Doing what I gotta do and then moving on is just not happening for me. So I'd like to ask the more experienced and seasoned AH users: How do you get it done and move on?

    Do you have some sort of routine you do every time you log on and repeat it a few times a day to keep your activities active, or is it a full time focus on the matter?

    I admit gold is an invaluable resource in WoW, you never really have enough, and it can burn itself quite quickly unless you're careful with the choices you make. The more I can make, the more comfortable I'd be, but at the same time I do want to go out there and play the game, while still making profit. May sound selfish, but in the end I'm sure many amongst you can pull it off, and it's that kind of detail that's missing in my recipe.

    Would appreciate any input/insight on the matter. Practical examples would be more than welcome

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    Yeah - I think that's a topic that all of us wrestle with. You asked how you get it done - that's an easy question - add-ons, macros, routines. You asked how you move on - that's harder - set goals, set limits, and stick to them.

    My routine (using Postal, MySales, OneBag, Altoholic, Auction Profit Master, and Auctionator): Log on; Get Mail; Cancel Undercut Auctions; Get Mail; Repost; Buy any Mats (ore & herbs, usually) - log on the 2nd bank toon, do it again. Sometimes, in the middle, I check to make sure I'm not getting baited into lower prices - that one pyrium bar going for 20g on the AH can sink a ship. I do this at least once a day. Most days, I do it 2-3 times. Each round takes just under 10 minutes.

    Realize that you're going to have slow days. That's no reflection on how well you're doing. The true mark of a good auctioneer is patience & prudence. I've a personal philosophy on Auctioneering:
    Demand drives people to spend gold everyday - a changing, arbitrary, but set amount of gold (like a variable) - I call it PIE. Research allows you to know where PIE is and where it's going. Diversity gives you the means to follow it there. Once you get there, you can Position yourself to get the sale, but it inevitably involves a degree of Luck.

    Example - Glyphmas. Researching the patch notes and the upcoming changes told us all that glyphs were changing as we knew them. Those with a scribe were able to take advantage of this because they were diversified in the market where PIE was heading. Many saavy auctioneers Positioned themselves to take full advantage of this market - buying cheap glyphs up to take out their competition, posting the night before 4.0.1 came. Inevitably, though - the cheapest auctions sell first. The last person to undercut when the music stops (buyer hits the AH) is the one who gets that sale.

    Luck. Funny how another name for it is 'Fortune'. This helps me shake off the bad days, and keeps me from sinking more time, and more profits into trying to make more & more gold. This is why it is absolutely vital to set goals & limits - to know when you've done enough that you can walk away and go play the game.
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    Having a routine, and doing the same things is great. If you're forgetful maybe make a list of your tasks and keep it near your computer.

    Addon's help so so so much. The wife bought me a netbook for christmas and I had some quiet time so installed battle-net. Long and short of it, I logged on without postal saw 50+ messages from auctions. Instantly logged off and installed postal. It was quicker to log off install postal and re-log in than to open each mail indvidually.
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    My routine in quite close to Stede's: I log my banker on, bark a macro or two immediately, pick up my mail, scan prices for auctions (2 types: my snatch list, and then my money makers, i.e. the stuff I buy and resell after having done something - crafted, DE'd, shattered, traded, whatever), buy what I need, check up on what I haven't sold, and then I usually bark a bit more in /2.

    For /2 barking, I use a set of macros with embedded items, and I try to make them funny, or because I usually fail at funny, at the very least original so people notice them. I've made a few thousand gold like that already, and it literally takes no time: I do it in the 10 minutes I spend logged in. I also try to vary between macros so I don't look like an annoying spamhead.

    A typical /2 bark would be:
    Unleash the pirate within! Spare yourselves the tedious Bloodsail grind, and buy your own now! Hyarrr! (warning: pirate price!)

    All told, I do this anywhere between 2 to 5 times a day, depending on how active a day it is.

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    Thanks for the replies, it's greatly appreciated for sharing your experience with me

    Looking at it that way I'd guess it's much smoother, and 10 minutes is just way too quick for me to hope to get anywhere near, while you probably easily do 5 times as much stuff as I do

    For now I'll try to keep it simple and stick to what works while using my professions to the maximum. I have a JCer + Alchemist, aka my main. Ain't got a bank alt (mainly because switching characters takes an arm and a leg on my laptop ) and also because I just don't know where to get started on doing that .

    One question I have is, I know that 525 Alchemists can xmute truegold, but getting there, seeing I have no herbalist would most probably involve me spending quite a good deal of gold. Is it worth going towards that direction, or is the gold spent vs the gold earned back not a smart deal? Currently I feel like a goat happily grazing off grass while the lions (525 Alchs) are hunting deer and takin 'em down for all they're worth

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    I take notes, lots of notes.

    If I read something potentially interesting or helpful on a blog or forum, I write it down.
    I go through all my professions every so often, taking a good look at what all of them can make incase there is any aspect that I have forgotten, and again I take note of it.

    I do often get sidetracked, I find a method that is really working well and it kind of blocks out any other gold making methods for a while.
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    The question you might want to ask yourself, considering this is your main character's prof, is: are there any other good reasons for you to level it anyways? Typically, your guild might need an alchemist for its flasks and pots, so it might be worth it to level it regardless, and make some coin on the side thanks to transmutes. Personally, I'm almost to 525 engineering on my main, despite not having mining, and I don't regret it at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belzebutinov View Post
    The question you might want to ask yourself, considering this is your main character's prof, is: are there any other good reasons for you to level it anyways? Typically, your guild might need an alchemist for its flasks and pots, so it might be worth it to level it regardless, and make some coin on the side thanks to transmutes. Personally, I'm almost to 525 engineering on my main, despite not having mining, and I don't regret it at all
    I asked that to myself many times. We have a herb/alch in the guild that takes care of the flasks, and the only reason I'd want to skill it up would be until I learn the intellect flask recipe, that way when using that particular flask, Mixology effect actives (Otherwise wont' work unless you know the recipe of the flask you're using)

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    I place a premium on "income per time invested". I'm not looking to hit a million gold. I'm not willing to camp the AH for hours. I'm not willing to spend a ton of time gathering mats or barking in trade chat. I make my stuff, I list my stuff, and then I go play the game.

    The remote AH is a godsend. I do all of my materials purchasing from my phone, while I'm sitting at my desk at work. I'll also do some listing from my phone as well. This is a huge boon. I don't have to waste a minute of my actual in-game time procuring mats.

    Once logged into the game, I'll typically have one or two "work days" per week. This is when I actually do my crafting. Mill my herbs, prospect my ore, cut my gems, make my enchant scrolls, whatever. This is when I produce the stock that I will be selling. I'll typically spend an hour or so doing this.

    Aside from that, the only other time I spend in-game making money is just posting and/or cancelling auctions.

    Over the weekend I made about 40k and did nothing but post/cancel. My last "work day" was the middle of last week. With mods, the cancelling/posting process takes about 2-3 minutes.

    My play sessions usually look something like this: log on...cancel/post...run a heroic with guildies...cancel/post...go pvp in Tol Barad...cancel/post...go back and complete Tol Barad dailies...cancel/post...run another heroic...cancel/post. You get the idea. That's a lot of actual game playing, with cancelling/posting tossed in during the breaks when most people are just standing around in Orgrimmar with their thumbs in their butts.

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    Regarding professions- I find that having maxed professions (at least a few, and preferably more) adds another dimension to making gold. Having an arsenal of professions to choose from allows you to move with the market, and always have something available to generate income. Because gold making really boils down to diversification- if one thing isn't profitable, move on to something that is. The AH changes on a daily (or even hourly) basis, and a savvy goblin just rolls with it