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    [Guide] TSM2 Transmog: Pricing Subgroups and Operations.

    I found setting up TSM 2 for professions fairly straightforward, but when I tried to set up groups for my massive list of transmog/RP items I seemed to hit a brick wall. At first I silently cursed the changes that wouldn't simply let me import my old grouping. Then I gritted my teeth and set to work from scratch. It took some fidgeting around with, and the actual sorting of the items is a lot of work, but...I feel my settings are far more accurate and I was quite pleased at how spot-on the postings seem for my realm so far. I figured I'd try to save a few folks from the frustration I felt when I first transitioned and make a walk-through guide for transmog settings.

    Before we start: If you have not already done so, I recommend watching Phat Lewts's guide to TSM 2 (http://www.phatlewtsgold.net/2013/08...eo-series.html). This is a great way to learn the basics of the addon and all it's various modules.

    Import your transmog list
    Under "Groups", make yourself one called Transmog (or whatever you prefer to name it). Click the Import/Export tab and paste your string. You can find several import lists on the forums if you don't have your own as of yet, or I've posted some down in the replies here. Simply copy, then paste in-game by clicking the appropriate box (in this case, it's named "Import String") and hit Ctrl + v.

    Subgroups (and subgroups of subgroups)
    I like to sort most my transmog items by the absolute lowest price I'm willing to auction them at. This ensures I never sell a valuable item at less then I'm willing to part with it for. I name my groups/subgroups for mog and rp gear accordingly.

    Example:
    Transmog (main group)
    -1-20g (subgroups)
    -20g+
    -50g+
    -1k+

    RP Gear (main group)
    -Vendor Purchased
    (subgroup)
    --Gear
    (subgroups of subgroup)
    --Shirts
    -Drop/Holiday
    -Crafted

    That's a small sample, but it shows the idea. If you don't like naming groups by lowest prices, you could go with the average value or whatever is easiest for you to remember how your items are priced on the list.

    Operations: setting your auctioning prices
    This is where I'm learning to love the new TSM, despite my initial troubles. You have the option of using fixed prices, vendor prices (buy from or sell to), % of market value, etc. Where it really shines is that you can combine more then one of those, and have it go off of the highest or lowest value. To learn what sources you have available, type /tsm sources to pull up the list in your chat pane.

    Here are some different strategies you can take when setting up your pricing operations:
    1. Fixed minimum cost, % of market value for fallback, % of market value for maximum. Let's use the sample list to demonstrate how that works:
    Transmog
    -1-20g
    -20g+ Here, I want my minimum sell price on the item to be 20g. I never want to sell for less but will happily sell for more. I don't want to set a fixed fallback price, because my realm's market on this item can vary day to day.
    To set that pricing up:
    Go to "Module Operations/Options". Find the tab labeled "Auctioning", click "Operations" and name your pricing strategy. For this guide, I'm going to call it "110%market, min 20g". Now that you've named it, click the "Post" tab and set up your duration/post cap/undercut to fit your preferences. When you get to "Posting Price Settings", the first box is labeled "Minimum Price (aka Threshold)". Since we're just using a fixed price, type in the value you are using. In this case, 20g. Under "Normal Price (aka Fallback)", you're going to choose the percentage of market value and source for market value. I like 110% of market value for transmog items, since high prices are the norm on my main's realm. Type in 110% dbmarket (highlighing to make it easier if people want to copy/paste). If you want to use both Wowuction and market value, with the higher of the two as your default posting price, you'd type max(110% dbmarket, 110% wowuctionmarket). If you want to use the lower value of the two, type the same but replace "max" with "min". On the "Maximum Price" tab, we post the highest value we'd want to undercut. This is here in case someone gets the wild hair up their ass to post for 12000g. Since you aren't likely to sell it by undercutting them for 1c and posting at 11999g, set your maximum fairly high but not above what it might be plausible to sell it for. I usually put 400% dbmarket, or 4x what the average realm price for the item is. Adjust the percentages according to your realm and tastes.

    2. Threshold at % of market value, % of market value for fallback, % of market value for maximum
    Same as above, only using a percentage on the lowest price as well. This could be useful in some groups and makes for easier set up (you wouldn't need as many subgroups), but also has the potential to backfire if the item is rare and the market hasn't seen it in awhile...or at all. For example, . Average buyout price is 200k, but some realms haven't seen one in so long the realm price is listed below 10g. You don't want to be the guy that accidentally sells it for less then your usual repair bill. There is another option to help with that: Wowuction Region. This uses Wowuction's data from your region instead of just the realm. You could set a minimum price that looks something like max(80% dbmarket, 80% wowuctionregionmarket). See above for fallback/max.

    3.Vendor cost + % of vendor cost
    Remember this subgroup of a subgroup?
    RP Gear
    -Vendor Purchased

    --Gear

    --Shirts
    I want to take shirts I've bought from a vendor, across different price points, and make a profit based on a percentage of what I paid.
    -Drop/Holiday
    -Crafted
    Go to your minimum and put 120% vendorbuy. This will set the lowest price at what you paid for it from the vendor, plus a 20% profit. For the fallback, you can use something along the lines of 250% vendorbuy. You can also use a fixed number or market value for your profit %, which would look like 100% vendorbuy + 5g (vendor cost plus 5 gold) or 100% vendorbuy + 100% dbmarket (Whatever the average sell price on your realm is, plus the vendor cost). Adjust the numbers to fit your desired profit. (Edit) Important note: You need to visit the vendor with the items you want to sell, even if you already own them, for TSM to update the vendor buy values.

    4. Vendor sell price + profit for min, market value for threshold and maximum.
    Transmog
    -1-20g
    I ran a dungeon and got a bunch of stuff that won't be worth much for mog. I want to post for at least the vendor sell price, plus a % profit.
    -20g+
    -50g+
    Enter your minimum price as 120% vendorsell, or you can mix in some of the other price values. 100% vendorsell + 5g, 100% vendorsell + 40% dbmarket,etc. You could even do max(120% vendorsell, 80% dbmarket) to have it post according to the higher profit.

    Now that we've covered some examples, you can mix and match whatever strategies you like to best suit your subgroups. Play around to see what works out best for you. If you are crafting transmog gear, there is an option to post based off of material costs as well. You can copy an operation and tweak it a little for the next group/subgroup by going to "General" tab and clicking "Duplicate Operation"

    Applying your operations to your subgroups
    Head back to "Groups". Click on the group and/or subgroup you would like to apply the pricing to. Click "Operations" (if it isn't your default tab). Under "Auctioning" click "Override Module Operations" and choose the pricing strategy you want to use for that group/subgroup.

    I have multiple realms/factions I play on, and I want to apply a different strategy to my low pop realm then my high pop one.
    Easy, just click "Add Additional Operation" and select the other pricing you want to use. If you intend to use more then one operation in this manner, you can exclude realms/factions or characters from the other pricing by going back to Module Operations/Options > Auctioning > click your operation name > "General" tab. Under "Operation Managment", you can choose to ignore the pricing on your designated realm/faction/character.

    Once you've applied your operations to the desired groups, you should be all ready to auction! Provided you've actually sorted all the items into their appropriate subgroup...something I'm still working my way through (though I've tested with what I have sorted so far, and I'm very pleased with the results). Almost done, another cup of coffee or so ought to get me through it.
    Last edited by Samiera; August 16th, 2013 at 05:52 PM.

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    Thank you for your time and effort putting this post up. It is easy to read and well thought out.
    Very good for the new TSM 2.0 user. + Rep for you.

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    Cheers!
    I never really got my head around the % dbmarket/wowuction variables, (I have a fixed fallback price on all my mog groups) but this helped me get my head around how it works. Thank you for a very informative post!

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    Very nice post! I'm currently setting mine up with static prices on my low pop server, but when buying on a high pop server, those numbers aren't flying. I was thinking of trying the wowuctionregion method, but I really feel like I need to get a feel of how the market is on that server, literally 10x the population of my main server!

    Excellent guide though, well thought out, +Rep!

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    Edited to add in a note regarding the vendor buy values.
    Forgot to put this in yesterday, but you need to visit the vendor that carries the goods you wish to sell for the addon to update the vendor buy price. Otherwise, it shows as "..."

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    This is clear, concise, and easy to read. Much appreciated!

    I wish my server were more active with transmog, but am hoping things perk up once the whole joined realms mechanic kicks in. I'll be referring to this to help me get organized.

    I think your post also serves as a nice intro for how to think about subgroups and operations, even for those who don't do transmog. +rep to you!

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    Adding import lists!

    Very rare, unobtainable, or high priced Mog (10k+):
    Code:
    22655,2205,22671,9429,14970,14859,23540,2292,1925,1604,18407,22670,30733,18676,22654,22663,9425,22666,14924,14920,30722,22658,14858,22669,14554,1168,16999,30732,20258,9386,22665,22664,22652,22662,22661,9431,14854,1986,1935,31318,12769,94589,17050,79329,14915,9508,20698,1728,9718,2283,10328

    Popular Mog 1-15k:

    Code:
    12619,14981,15052,14792,85787,52487,14860,4478,94587,1973,31322,31153,59463,65013,35664,3475,8225,31218,16039,15051,31217,31134,12777,36621,31232,30723,59460,14913,14975,55066,14857,940,8190,71360,36619,9420,9393,2244,15646,10573,36624,14977,14380,13117,71038,9391,8223,14855,31220,14927,17015,44313,14929,14799,34366,14926,2801,10633,809,31272,14971,12527,16984,14974,31342,1204,31336,14839,14967,43611,37807,12535,2800,14980,31330,68161,19169,14966,14840,54506,31332,37810,14798,14928,17054,14921,15050,44311,31331,14796,14900,10403,50472,59525,1394,14972,14901,44708,10400,14922,14793,14835,68601,20478,14805,4444,52486,15655,16680,12618,1169,14917,14297,8226,10413,12974,23542,7518,10215,14895,23543,45450,3417,12784,13017,37757,13044,14288,14973,13052,14968,14856,3075,31219,9432,15947
    No longer obtainable RP clothes and items:
    Code:
    6651,49,127,6117,6125,6136,6120,23345,22682,20901,2067,3328,20451,6134,2105,11108,23476,148,154,1933,20422,3322,3263,3260,2110,5767,23473,6135,20897,24143,56007,38089
    I have far too many items in my low-mid price category, so I won't bother posting that here. I doubt anyone wants to wade through it all. You can find basic mog import lists for that, as well as MoP twink items, elsewhere on the site.
    Last edited by Samiera; August 19th, 2013 at 06:08 PM. Reason: Removed 1 of the 3 Recruit's Shirt, as it is still sold by a vendor. "38" for anyone who previously did a copy/paste

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    Thanks for those lists!

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    Nice post. Thanks for your lists. It is always interesting to see what other people have on theirs, and I certainly didn't have as comprehensive a list of white removed from game items.

    In your rare/unobtainable high priced mog you've included some crafted by blacksmithing (icebane), LW (icy scale) and tailoring. In those lists you've included the bracers as well as the rest of the set.
    In practice do you really see those returns? I rarely have managed to flip any of those sets on a small server so I've given up crafting any of it except the occasional robe.

    In the 1.5 list I am somewhat startled to see most of the armourkinis - since on a small server I reliably can get around 5k per piece for these -3k tyrants maybe, but easily 7- 10k for a set of jade leggings due to their scarcity.

    What I do manage to sell for around 1-1.5k absent from your lists are the LW Stylin' "pimp" hats - although there are now similar in game items - and the hat of wintery doom. I might just be lucky enough the smaller server means higher prices, but these move fairly reliably for me.

    Thanks for the great guide post!

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    It's 1-15k, not 1.5k. I know I have some overlap there with one group going to 15 and the other starting at 10.

    The crafted items like the Icebane and Icy Scale sets require for the level 60 pieces, which are no longer obtainable (though they aren't soulbound, so sometimes you can get lucky at the AH). I usually stay away from the level 80 pieces that were added in Wrath. Icebane, for example, has two chest pieces..one 60, one 80. I won't pay much for the 60, since there is an 80 version, but you can try to resell to 60/70 twinks (since they're too low to mog the 80 version) or collectors. Certain pieces, like the , don't have an 80 version and are unique in appearance. are another without an 80 version. I personally dropped 50k on those gloves, because I had to have them for an outfit and they weren't listed on any other realm at the time (https://theunderminejournal.com/item.php?item=22654). I'd been looking for a pair for over a year.

    I'll have to add that hat of wintery doom to my craft list, I've overlooked that as a potential seller. Thanks for the tip!

 

 

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