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    TUJ implementation into Auctioneer

    Here's the question/suggestion:

    The Undermine Journal provides the absolute most accurate pricing history in the history of the game. Wowecon tried to do this but it was limited because of server participants.

    Could anyone imagine a world where you could parse the data for your server and have it implemented within Auctioneer? And in real time (background downloader)?

    I'm no programmer, the most I know how to do anymore is make slight modifications to mods, but is something like this reasonable? Thoughts?

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    Just so I can understand this correctly, you're thinking of replacing the "DataStore" portion of Auctioneer (i.e Historical pricing, coming from scans), and using a more accurate TUJ data?

    If I'm understanding that correctly, it's plausible. The problem to be solved is two-fold.
    1. Exposing the TUJ data in an easily viewable format (XML through APIs)
    2. Load/Response time of real-time lookups.
    (on a slow day, it may take 15 minutes to pull down pricing for EVERY item in an auctioneer scan, could be more)

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    I agree with Lofty's take on this. If you could get the data through API's, that would be ideal. However, since TUJ is not a full-on commercial venture, I would guess that the most TUJ could offer would be a per-item sort of deal. In other words, you might request the last two weeks of data for a single item.

    In thinking about this, there are a lot of things that could be done, the question that needs to be asked is what you really want to accomplish.

    For example, perhaps you want seed data for Auctioneer so that the next time you scan, you would already have foundation data. Perhaps when you look at an item in-game, you want some tooltip data added that shows information that could be gleaned from its TUJ page. Maybe you just want more "scanned" data in Auctioneer.

    As a developer, I would approach each of those problems in very different ways.

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    Other than bottom scanning, how often is anyone running a getall scan anyway? I do it 1-3 times per day, and then just Search or Refresh on individual items if I need them. So...

    The TUJ data could simply be a file they gets auto-downloaded into the DataStore file or folder, a couple times a day. Hell, the user could even initiate the download since we do that already anyway with our scans.
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    If the goal is to get scan data more often, I would take a different approach, rather than depending on TUJ. Doing so adds an unnecessary middle man to the process. I think if we just want more data, I would write an crawler to continuously work the Remote Auction House. It would be possible to write it such that it can add data directly to Auctioneer files.

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    Edited because Cal nailed it...

    Yes, exactly. If such a mod were available to continuously search the server's AH once an hour and feed into Auctioneer, that would be ideal. I have NO clue when it comes to programming, so I wonder the feasibility of such an endeavor.

    Wowecon had a mod to allow implementation into Auctioneer at one point. Such data would be ideal because you could state with a matter of certainty the values of everything in the game for your server, and from that you could determine the extra statistical data through Auctioneer's other mods.
    Last edited by Zerohour; November 15th, 2010 at 01:21 PM.

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    Well I love that idea for sure!
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    So, just to clarify some jargon, API is application programming interface. The owner of a system (in this discussion TUJ) can create API's that other programs can access to get data. In truth, they can do more than just get data, but that's what we want.

    To my knowledge, TUJ doesn't have any API's. The only way to get the data is to go to the site. You could write an application that essentially goes to the site, flips through items one at a time, gathers any data off the page and stores it where Auctioneer can get it. That would be incredibly inefficient and extremely slow.

    I'm still a bit unclear as to what data and functionality you want. Are you looking to get data from a TUJ page in-game? If so, which portions? Do you need more historical data in your scans?

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    The snarky simple solution:
    If you were looking for real time market tracking to select when is the best time to post etc etc ... why not just visit TUJ because this information can be found in its current implementation. If you wanted this in game, buy a second monitor locate it near your first and use TUJ. -harhar

    You would need a 3rd party downloder to put the data in the wtf folder and you would have to do a reloadui possibly login and logout to get updated data.

    I suppose if you were using for just pricing data for Rare items several scan concatenated into a single daily update might be good.

    If you were looking at non rare items markets glyphs, SOE's, gems, raw goods. This data for the most part would be useless I don't think you can use a 30day moving average or any day for that matter to determine the value of items. These aren't companies with infinite potential growth the psychology of the market is different.

    Example1:
    Iron lung pantaloons BIS for every class
    If you farm for 2 hours you are guaranteed these
    What is the value of the item?

    example2:
    The golden plum BIS world drop
    You have no time value
    What is the cost of this item?

    For each item you will have to create a value based on X in order to decide what the value is. What is X?

    For the most part we use existing sales data. Everybody else uses existing sales data to tell the price of and item as well. This is due to the proliferation of the auctioneer addon. It is the 6th most popular add on available on curse. Our data is not based on the influences of the market but in general how this add on influences the market. Once you come to understand this you will see that the only way to reevaluate the market is by proliferating the market with a new "auctioneer" addon.

    Because of this the 14 day or 7 day "auctioneer" moving average of a particular product is the value.

    You can move the price of a product up and down with auctioneer simply by posting on all 10 of your wow accounts each 10% higher. For 7 days and you will change the Percent value of items. This same tactic fools the TUJ as well. IF you do this enough the "sheep" class of autioneer users will start to list higher and higher.. or lower and lower. They won't know why and they won't ask they will simply do what the addon says.

    But you said moving average data is usless...
    Well moving average data based on a more accurate plot is useless because it's inaccurate because it is not the data the average user is using.

    I hope this make some semblance of sense.

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    So let me pose some questions, maybe to Zero.

    1. Which specific piece of data are you after, from TUJ page?
    2. Do you want to see this on EVERY item, based on a scan?
    Or do you want the data only on specific items?

    If you're looking for raw data, we could pull it straight from the RAH's site, which is commercialized and more supportive of data collections.
    If you're looking for a "special aggregate", or some unique value only TUJ provides, we would have to go get it there, or replicate how it exists.

    As Calianna said, LOTS of stuff is possible, we just need to define what you're looking for.

 

 

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