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    Quote Originally Posted by TimB View Post
    @Erorus. Today, while discussing with some guildmates, a point was brought up regarding the legality of such an export utility/addon.

    Reason is that there is, as you may know, a part of the TOS regarding addons and 3rd party sources intercepting or mining in game data.

    Now, I know I have seen this sort of thing done in the past, and trust you as an experienced addon author, but perhaps it would be safe to get a word from a GM regarding this addon's legality.
    I was thinking of contacting a GM myself about it, but since you are the one writing it, you would be able to better describe the intent and parameters of this.
    First of all, it's not intercepting anything in game. I'm not sure exactly how he plans on doing it, but I'm guessing it'll communicate via the saved variables file which is completely outside of WoW.

    Second, a GM is NEVER going to definitively comment on the legality of a specific addon idea. At best, they will tell you to go read the ToS.


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    @Sapu94, I see. I expected this. From seeing responses to some of the things you all do here from GMs, it seems they are just taught to reply in very limited ways.
    As such, it's best it seems to do everything you think is legal, and call it good enough.

    While a part of me says cover your bases, another part of me says you all know a lot more about this thing and have dealt with it more than I have, as I have yet to write my first addon, and as such, I trust the things that come from you all.

    I really didn't think it was actual interception nor violation myself. I just wanted a second opinion, I suppose.

    When I read that tidbit of the TOS, I had interpreted as directly taking data from game files- files that are part of the raw game itself.
    As such, any info that legal addons acquire and store should be accessed without worry of any violations, as that info, I would gesture, is no longer part of the game, but part of the addon.

    But apparently, some of my guildmates did not think the same, but I also don't think they've ever dealt with addon writing either.

    Thanks for shedding some light.
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    No worries, it'll use a method I've used in the past with Quick Armory. There's no file uploads or executables involved. No data mining (at least not on the client side) or intercepting.

    After you install the addon, you would:
    1. Visit your bank (or guild bank or void storage).
    2. Type /goblinventory
    3. A string comes up in a dialog box. Copy that string to the clipboard with Ctrl-C.
    4. Visit the website. Paste the string from the clipboard.

    That's all. It's a voluntary data export.

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    @Erorus this sounds awesome. Thanks for doing all the work. Can't wait to see it in action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspyn View Post
    @Erorus this sounds awesome. Thanks for doing all the work. Can't wait to see it in action.
    No kidding. When I initially wrote this post, I didn't expect a website and addon to be created out of the request.
    As such, I will be honored to put goblinventory to a rigorous test, and have it be what I use to run my mog business... giving full feedback, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimB View Post
    [As such, any info that legal addons acquire and store should be accessed without worry of any violations, as that info, I would gesture, is no longer part of the game, but part of the addon... But apparently, some of my guildmates did not think the same, but I also don't think they've ever dealt with addon writing either.
    The saved variables are completely up for grabs for reading or manipulation. I have been reading lua files into various Excel tools for years on a daily basis and sometimes I'm too lazy to configure things in game so I edit the lua instead. The integrity of the game and attempts of manipulation are safeguarded via the API. Historically, when someone has come up with something that goes further than Blizzard intended, they will adjust (nerf) the interface.

    Looking forward to testing the add-on.

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    Looking forward to testing the add-on.
    Me too

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    I wish I knew how to make all these fancy thing, but I'm too computer stupid to figure it all out. @TimB isn't this awesome? So many good folks on here. I'm glad the idea was ever brought up in the first place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspyn View Post
    I wish I knew how to make all these fancy thing, but I'm too computer stupid to figure it all out. @TimB isn't this awesome? So many good folks on here. I'm glad the idea was ever brought up in the first place!
    Indeed.
    I'm sure I'll be able to learn how to write addons myself. Again, I just need to open up the 'textbook' and learn it.
    Actually, it would serve me well beyond just the game to know how to script programs and whatnot- I'm to attend Full Sail U next month for media arts and design. Web design and miscrosoft visual will be a great thing to know how to work with.
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    @TimB that's awesome! Good luck with that. I'm sure you'll love it. Programming comes in handy in all forms. I have dabbled in it (by dabbled, I mean really dabbled) and is something I am interested in, but just don't have the time.
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