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    The Undermine Journal Addon

    I just noticed on TUJ they have added an in-game addon available for download.

    It's a bit clunky right now, but it will give you much more accurate pricing data than Auctioneer, Auctionator or TSM since it isn't dependent upon you keeping your scans up to date.

    http://theunderminejournal.com/addon.php. Check it out.
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    Yeah, I saw that this morning. The addon link you gave brings you to the list of realms because the page provides a link to the export data for each individual realm. I'm wondering how this actually works, though. If the data isn't being downloaded from TUJ automatically - if I have to copy and past each time -then it's not giving me anything better than Auctioneer, Auctionator or TSM.

    In fact, afaik, all those add-ons collect the same AH data (notwithstanding the difference between a long scan and a GetAll Scan). So the only way that pricing information would be more accurate from TUJ is if it used a more reliable algorithm. This probably comes from its ability to scan every hour. I'd be careful with fast-moving markets, though - a single scan 2 minutes prior to posting may be more informative there than 100 hourly scans that are >50 minutes old - depending on what you're trying to do.
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    Data from tuj would be more reliable, as it is scanning more often then any of us likely are. Also I wonder if there would be a future for importing this data straight into TSM.
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    I imagine you could make the suggestion in the TSM dev forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stede View Post
    I'm wondering how this actually works, though. If the data isn't being downloaded from TUJ automatically - if I have to copy and past each time -then it's not giving me anything better than Auctioneer, Auctionator or TSM.
    The addon will remember the market data between logouts (so you don't have to copypaste every day, just as often as you want), but yeah, there's a big limitation in that it can't automatically get the most recent data direct from the Internet. Blame the inability for any addon to communicate directly with the outside world, and my reluctance against building a 3rd party app that would pull and replace the saved variables on client machines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stede View Post
    In fact, afaik, all those add-ons collect the same AH data (notwithstanding the difference between a long scan and a GetAll Scan). So the only way that pricing information would be more accurate from TUJ is if it used a more reliable algorithm. This probably comes from its ability to scan every hour. I'd be careful with fast-moving markets, though - a single scan 2 minutes prior to posting may be more informative there than 100 hourly scans that are >50 minutes old - depending on what you're trying to do.
    Obviously for most commodities and fast-moving markets, this addon doesn't bring much to the table. The two killer uses for this addon, imo, are:

    1) Rare drops. Got a rare pet/recipe/armor and want to know how much it's selling for? Check the tooltip.
    2) Levelling alts. Got a new profession, or perhaps herbing/mining/skinning and wondering how the market looks for commodities below max level? This'll remind you.

    The addon isn't everything with a side of awesome, I admit. But it's kinda neat, a fun project for the weekend, and hopefully somewhat useful to folks out there. If you don't use it, no big deal. The rest of the site isn't going anywhere.

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    Stede. I totally agree with you there. Running a quick scan to get live data right before purchasing mats, etc. is definitely better, but the thing that I would give the edge to TUJ on would be the long-term historical data. My main frustration recently has been with auctioneer, so I'm desperately looking for a reason to completely uninstall it and this takes me one step closer.

    Since TUJ scans hourly, their "Sold" data is much better, and since I am only able to scan once a day, I'm sure I miss a bunch of 12hr auctions with my data. It might not be more convenient (at the moment you do need to manually update every time you want fresh data) but at least I can be assured that, if I miss a day, the information that I upload is still as accurate as possible. Worst case scenario, I am now updating data every day that someone else is gathering for me every hour, which is much better than gathering it myself once a day. I think we all can appreciate the value of having someone else "gather" something for us, can't we?
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    Thanks for the info, Erorus! I wasn't trying to be too much of a downer there. This looks to be a very useful tool for all the things you mentioned. It would fill a substantial gap in the current AH add-ons.

    I haven't installed the add-on, but I did paste the data into a wordpad file for Thrall (A), and I was surprised at how small it was. That's some wicked compression you're using. So, it sounds like the data is only refreshed when you copy/paste right now, right? So, a once a week 'schedule' would fill the aforementioned gaps quite nicely, with a minimal amount of effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stede View Post
    Thanks for the info, Erorus! I wasn't trying to be too much of a downer there. This looks to be a very useful tool for all the things you mentioned. It would fill a substantial gap in the current AH add-ons.
    It's all good. It's important to have perspective with these things, and I think we both understand where this addon fits within the WoW ecosystem.

    I haven't installed the add-on, but I did paste the data into a wordpad file for Thrall (A), and I was surprised at how small it was. That's some wicked compression you're using. So, it sounds like the data is only refreshed when you copy/paste right now, right? So, a once a week 'schedule' would fill the aforementioned gaps quite nicely, with a minimal amount of effort.
    Yeah, I tried to get the data string as small as possible. Variable-length records and transmitting the numeric values in binary help a lot. The largest record for an item, which would include its id, price, its reagents' price, the market quantity, and the number of auctions up would be 16 bytes, but most are smaller if they don't need some of those fields, and if their prices/quantities fit in fewer bytes. A BoE world drop piece of gear would probably be around 8 bytes of data.

    I tried compressing the data stream again with LZW or Huffman coding, but I couldn't find a Lua library that would decompress what a PHP library would compress.

    Data is only updated with a copypaste, and the tooltips remind you how old the data is. I had thought about doing message passing between other users of the addon within a guild, so when one person updates (or asks for a price), other users' databases get updated with the newer data, but that got messy fast, especially for a version 1.0.
    Last edited by Erorus; February 14th, 2011 at 04:02 PM.

 

 

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